Vancouver is No Good 3

[dino7c]

I mean he had 102 and 89 the last 2 seasons...

something is obviously up in Vancouver this season and he has been injured. If Vancouver trades him they will regret it and somebody will cash in.

[blankall]

I have a hard time believing that Miller is just a good guy who has trouble expressing himself. He has a pretty long history of conflict with other players. Specifically, he has a habit of not taking responsibility and blaming his teammates when things go poorly.

Miller, except for that huge game the other week, has the same scoring peace as Pettersson. Miller refuses to play defence.

Seems more like Pettersson is a younger and less vocal, but also more level. Miller is likely trying to bully him or throw him under the bus.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Long story short, apparently politics.

You have got to be kidding.

Politics has invaded NHL locker-rooms now? I have never discussed politics with a teammate except one time playing Rugby and a guy wanted 'that prick' David Cameron's head.

And since I dont have a dog in the fight in British politics I just sort of smiled and nodded.

[McG]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879595851477340670

He means that it’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas!

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Reggie Dunlop]

They obviously need Andrew Kuzmenko back, to lighten the mood in the dressing room.

Just a suggestion.

[activeStick]

Wow, Demko is the other star rumoured a few weeks ago that wants out of Vancouver.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1880702760364179692

[Johnny Makarov]

That is great. What is he worth after all those injuries? a 3rd rounder?

[activeStick]

I suppose he hasn't look as good since returning from injury, but he's still a Vezina star goalie and very well could find his game again. For whatever reason, Tocchet is barely playing him now that he's been cleared to play. Hard to find your game not playing often enough.

[activeStick]

If Pettersson was relieved that Miller is the one that'll be moved, he better be ready to deal with the fallout of being chosen over him when things aren't going well in Vancouver's media environment...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1882800663446667334

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1882800663446667334

How can they bleed any color when they change their entire look every decade or two?

[CroFlames]

Great news for the Flames.

[SuperMatt18]

Demko has been said to be very frustrated with the organization's treatment of his injuries, and at least part of the reason Ian Clark was moved from the daily goalie coach role.

So wouldn't be surprised at that at all.

Miller is the interesting one because I feel like if they fired Tocchet he'd stay, their relationship seems to have clearly soured due to his treatment and frequent benchings this year (think Miller feels like the scapegoat).

And Pettersson doesn't seem to get along with Tocchet either.

And the funniest part of it all is Tocchet is a lame duck coach with no contract past this season...so not sure why you'd be making long term player decisions based on him being the coach.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Demko has been said to be very frustrated with the organization's treatment of his injuries, and at least part of the reason Ian Clark was moved from the daily goalie coach role.

So wouldn't be surprised at that at all.

Miller is the interesting one because I feel like if they fired Tocchet he'd stay, their relationship seems to have clearly soured due to his treatment and frequent benchings this year (think Miller feels like the scapegoat).

And Pettersson doesn't seem to get along with Tocchet either.

And the funniest part of it all is Tocchet is a lame duck coach with no contract past this season...so not sure why you'd be making long term player decisions based on him being the coach.

You may be right about Tocchet v Miller (who really knows!), but Dhaliwal has said multiple times that Miller is a Tocchet guy, and he is a guy in the know.

Regarding Tocchet being on an option year after this one, he is a Rutherford guy, so that will also be interesting to see what not only Tocchet chooses to do, but what Rutherford would want to do with Tocchet. Hughes is on record saying that Tocchet is the best coach he's every played for, so there's that to consider as well. If Tocchet doesn't return next season, there will be plenty of interest out there I would have to think, so he probably isn't worried and it'll come down more to if the team can turn things around this season or not, I think.

[Blaster86]

Tocchet turned out to be the coach I thought he would be when he was hired. He's the guy that coached all the skill and joy out of OEL and has appeared to do the same thing here for everyone not named Quinn Hughes.


Rick Tocchet is a great assistant coach when someone else has the final call. He does not know how to embrace and coach talented players.

[Vinny01]

I know myself and others mused that with Vancouver’s explosion last year they could be in for a Treliving Flames like follow up season. Flames were always a team under Tree that would overachieve and raise expectations to only underachieve the next year to reset the expectations and then bounce back the following year. I am not shocked Vancouver is back on the bubble but the drama around the team is fairly surprising to me.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by activeStick

You may be right about Tocchet v Miller (who really knows!), but Dhaliwal has said multiple times that Miller is a Tocchet guy, and he is a guy in the know.

Regarding Tocchet being on an option year after this one, he is a Rutherford guy, so that will also be interesting to see what not only Tocchet chooses to do, but what Rutherford would want to do with Tocchet. Hughes is on record saying that Tocchet is the best coach he's every played for, so there's that to consider as well. If Tocchet doesn't return next season, there will be plenty of interest out there I would have to think, so he probably isn't worried and it'll come down more to if the team can turn things around this season or not, I think.

I have a feeling he "was" a Tocchet guy.

I don't have inside knowledge but from the outside I can't see how that relationship wouldn't be strained.

He got benched...the next day he's taking a leave of absence (and let's be honest do either Tocchet or Rutherford feel like progressive types that would be okay with a player taking a leave of absence when they aren't hurt)...returns from that and has been benched a couple times in games since by the coach.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

He does not know how to embrace and coach talented players.

Sure, if you ignore the entire last season when the talented players in Vancouver all had excellent seasons and some, even career years, I believe. You can't just delete one season that doesn't support the argument... The core has had 3 coaches now. At some point, it probably might be more the players and not the coach.

[Blaster86]

You play like ####, you get benched. It's not overly shocking. But really what did he miss out out? Five or six more shifts of dumping the puck in, mucking it up on the wall to try and move the puck back to the point? Then you hope and pray it was to Hughes or Hronek otherwise that puck is just going back to the corner you mucked it out of.

Miller has looked like ####, but so has every other skill player. It's not a coincidence.

Originally Posted by activeStick

Sure, if you ignore the entire last season when the talented players in Vancouver all had excellent seasons and some, even career years, I believe. You can't just delete one season that doesn't support the argument... The core has had 3 coaches now. At some point, it probably might be more the players and not the coach.

The PDO bender at the start of the season was great, until it stopped. Then we hit January and the Canucks became one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL, even if the defensive side of the puck was solid. Now the team doesn't have the personnel on the back-end to keep that strong defensive posture and our elite goaltender is just getting into training camp form in January. Tocchet doesn't know how to let the talented players do talented things and doesn't have the players on the back-end to make his defensive system work.

It's not just Tocchet's failure but this team looks a lot like the tail end of the Travis Green run where he was trying to force everyone to play a hold-on-for-dear-life style.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Ok drama queens, we'll just uh.. go ahead and take that playoff spot then, alright? Thanks.

Best of luck sorting out that cluster####.

-Calgary Flames