I think Trump is going to be bad for PP.
People will get scared of him being our Trump and responses like the gender question yesterday don't do him any good to distance himself from that.
Unless I'm misreading Canadians; they won't watch Trump like values in office and every crazy/stupid thing Trump does will have people asking if PP would feel the same.
PP hasn’t announced any real details of his actual policy platform or how he plans to implement it. So far it’s mostly just catch phrases (axe the tax, fix the budget, build the homes and stop the crime ring any bells?). Which to a degree is fair at this point since they’re not the incumbents and an election hasn’t even been called yet. Getting rid of the carbon tax is the only real black and white promise that he has made. If people think any positive economic benefits from that alone are going to have a significant impact our economic woes they need to give their heads a shake.
Here's some policy. Danielle Smith will be happy with this one, as will all Alberta victims who bemoaned how screwed we are all the time.
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Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says he wouldn't make any "big changes" to the federal equalization program if the Conservatives form government after the next election.
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"I don't anticipate big changes," the Conservative leader told host Karine Godin in a French interview.
"We don't want to cut transfers to people and provinces. We want to cut the bureaucracy in Ottawa. That's where the waste is found," he said.
He said the federal Liberals drove up the deficit in part by hiring 110,000 public servants. According to the Government of Canada website, the size of the public service has grown from 257,034 in 2015 to 367,772 in 2024.
And keep in mind we have more programs than we did in the past.
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According to the government's own figures, spending on Indigenous communities has increased from $11 billion in 2016 to $30 billion in 2024. The Canada Child Benefit amalgamated several existing programs but added funding, and was later indexed to inflation. New funding for child care was rolled out in 2021. And the federal government is now spending billions more on housing and clean technology.
I think you're taking Canada is a joke to literal. The country is not a joke. The government running the country is a joke. The people, the places, the history/culture/way of life, etc. is all amazing. The way it is run is a different story.
The carbon tax is a joke. It doesn't work. No one is changing the way they live because of it. No tax money is making any impact on global climate change. Even if Canada produced zero emissions it wouldn't matter on a global scale. So were hurting our people now while helping literally no one in the future.
I think we should take it literally and push back on it hard. Every single day we hear PP, conservative media, and social media repeat the mantra ‘Canada is broken’ , ‘Canada is broken’, ‘Canada is broken’. Repeat it enough and everyone is saying it. Now Musk and every right wing commentator is saying it and that we’re a failed state.
B.S.
We’ve got a lot of issues and the current government has lots to answer for but language has consequences. Hate on the PM all you want but leave my country out of it.
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Actually a good question, because I do not think that if Trudeau decided screw this, tomorrow we approve everything, that it would actually accomplish something being built.
Our country is a joke.
We've had decades to actually do something, and all we have to show for is a Liberal approved extremely over budget pipeline that is suddenly looking like a steal of a deal.
I called CRA on Monday on behalf of a client and the wait time was over 6 hours.
Do they actually do any work?
The government is antiquated and needs a modernization which also means that some jobs losses will be expected. I need to renew my passport in the next few months. Paper and mail is the only option for requesting a new passport which means that there is a multitude of people sitting in an office in Gatineau opening up letter, scanning papers, likely transposing information from that paper into a software form and finally processing the application. I have no idea why the information can't just be entered by the public into a government system to cut down on time and effort. They should be able to create a portal for using a selfie as a passport photo as well.
Yes, we can make Canada a better place and we should always strive to. But to call it a "joke" demonstrates deep unseriousness, parochialism, and wanton cynicism.
I struggle to think of a country besides Canada where the right are actually less patriotic than the rest of society.
There’s a kind of absurd irony to Canadian right-wingers wearing “51st State” t-shirts and MAGA hats. So you revere the conservatives in a foreign country where conservatives have contempt for anything foreign. The cognitive dissonance is incredible.
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Here's some policy. Danielle Smith will be happy with this one, as will all Alberta victims who bemoaned how screwed we are all the time.
The bloviating about equalization is all baloney anyways and always has been.
Harper comes up with the formula conservatives don't say squat, Trudeau keeps the formula Harper made Conservatives froth at the mouth about the unfairnes of it all, now PP says that he won't make any big changes to it... and I will bet $1.00 and bragging rights that almost all of the Conservatives who frothed about the unfairness of it all won't say squat against that.
If something isn't an issue for you when it's done by your fellow travelers (regardless of your political stripe) then it's not an issue for you at all... it's just propaganda.
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Our country is not a joke. It never has been. It was not a joke under conservative prime ministers, and it is not a joke under liberal prime ministers (including the current one).
The biggest flashpoint issue of the past couple years, a tax aimed at guiding (coercing - though that word has an unnecessary negative connotation) consumers to make more pro-environment purchasing decisions to improve the lives of future generations, is the most first-world problem ever. Whatever you think of carbon pricing (or any of the other issues facing our country, including pipelines), one's stance on it should never result in the opinion our country is a "joke."
Yes, we can make Canada a better place and we should always strive to. But to call it a "joke" demonstrates deep unseriousness, parochialism, and wanton cynicism.
No, its a joke.
We have the premier of the biggest province telling everyone we should have a Canada First approach while his province has been the biggest jackass when it comes to removing inter provincial trade barriers.
There are a dozen other examples like this.
End of the day Canada has a lot of offer to the world.
Oil, gas, critical minerals, clean energy, etc, etc....but provincial needs and enviroweenies, dictate what is done.
Now when we're up #### creek they all of a sudden want us all to believe that they actually care about Canada First. Yeah fricking right.
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I think Trump is going to be bad for PP.
People will get scared of him being our Trump and responses like the gender question yesterday don't do him any good to distance himself from that.
Unless I'm misreading Canadians; they won't watch Trump like values in office and every crazy/stupid thing Trump does will have people asking if PP would feel the same.
If I was the Libs I would use "Trump Values" in every attack ad, press conferences and debates.
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We have the premier of the biggest province telling everyone we should have a Canada First approach while his province has been the biggest jackass when it comes to removing inter provincial trade barriers.
There are a dozen other examples like this.
End of the day Canada has a lot of offer to the world.
Oil, gas, critical minerals, clean energy, etc, etc....but provincial needs and enviroweenies, dictate what is done.
Now when we're up #### creek they all of a sudden want us all to believe that they actually care about Canada First. Yeah fricking right.
It’s pretty telling that the people who really stake their personality around Canada being a joke can’t seem to bring themselves to move to a country that isn’t.
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The government is antiquated and needs a modernization which also means that some jobs losses will be expected. I need to renew my passport in the next few months. Paper and mail is the only option for requesting a new passport which means that there is a multitude of people sitting in an office in Gatineau opening up letter, scanning papers, likely transposing information from that paper into a software form and finally processing the application. I have no idea why the information can't just be entered by the public into a government system to cut down on time and effort. They should be able to create a portal for using a selfie as a passport photo as well.
I cant get through to anyone at CRA over a very simple matter, they upgraded their database and online access to make it...significantly worse than the dogcrap it already was and...I had to take time to have an in person-meeting with a CRA Auditor which was effectively like speaking to a lamp-post and a complete waste of everyone's time.
She had no idea what she was doing and carried a heavily un-deserved sense of self-importance for someone who was pretty clearly clueless.
I must say...if a Politician wants to buy my vote? Either make me the Minister of Revenue or at least promise a culling at CRA.
I went with my Intern a while back to an Accounting 'Meet and Greet' where you talk to various recruiters and Partners of various firms, its to recruit new Grads who want to article...I was just there to take it in, kind of nostalgic for me plus I met some old friends.
Oh yes...but guess who have a booth? Oh yeah. CRA. You wouldn't believe the chucklehead clowns they chose to staff that booth. It was embarrassing and I shouldn't even care.
Absolutely nobody took them seriously. The 'cream of the crop' they are not.
I always laugh at this, because I have clients who say this to me all the time.
"Oh, my last Accountant used to work for CRA so he knows all the loopholes!!!"
No son, if your last Accountant used to work for CRA? He's probably an idiot. The fact that he left means that he might have gotten better?
But they are the 'Employer of Last Resort.'
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The bloviating about equalization is all baloney anyways and always has been.
Harper comes up with the formula conservatives don't say squat, Trudeau keeps the formula Harper made Conservatives froth at the mouth about the unfairnes of it all, now PP says that he won't make any big changes to it... and I will bet $1.00 and bragging rights that almost all of the Conservatives who frothed about the unfairness of it all won't say squat against that.
If something isn't an issue for you when it's done by your fellow travelers (regardless of your political stripe) then it's not an issue for you at all... it's just propaganda.
Harper's approach wasn't great. PPs isn't great.
Any solution that doesn't involve removing equalization payments is not good enough.
The problem in this country is that you can't get elected if you do two things- there's more, but these are two:
1. Propose to remove tariffs and the monopoly of the dairy cartel
2. Reduce Central Canada's ability to transfer wealth from the West.
Harper and PP both know this. But they also want to get elected.
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Do people even pay attention to polling any more? Polymarket is better.
Better at what?
And how do you document better. Predicting the outcome does not mean better. Being right and wrong at the % you predict is the measure of accuracy. Has someone gone through and evaluated this based on odds overtime to determined the accuracy?
In terms of Canadian politics the market is too small and the questions are poor right now to glean the information I am looking for. Also people are bad at long tails
The challange here is that you have to pick between Carney and Freeland and you don’t have historical data before Carney is running for Carney. But it does show that the conservative likelihood of winning down 8% from peak
The problem with all of these is that they will swing rapidly once it becomes possible whereas today we are looking at signals of monmentum. Like a 5-10% move in polling doesn’t really move the polymarket numbers because of how far behind the liberals are. So then you have to look at very small changes in polymarket.
The question I want to answer is have people’s opinions about the liberals have changed and given that they were so far behind this won’t show up very well in polymarket.
But I did buy Liberal stock as it’s undervalued right now and will go up as the leadership race continues.
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Honestly, I dont know of anyone that is all that super-concerned about Equalization Payments.
I think in Principle they're actually a pretty good idea, where it all falls flat though is that in concept the Equalization payments are designed to smooth out wealth throughout the Provinces like a Country would, to try and make things fairer between wealthier Provinces and less wealthy Provinces.
But then, when it becomes time to cooperate all of a sudden that Ethos goes out the window and our neighbours and friends slam the door in our faces except to hold their hand out for the cheque.
Thats where it becomes problematic.
Everyone wants the money that the 'Have Provinces' provide but they also want to complain or have a say in 'how' its provided.
That doesnt work well. Again....we dont cooperate with each other. Every Province is too busy looking after themselves.
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End of the day Canada has a lot of offer to the world.
Oil, gas, critical minerals, clean energy, etc, etc....but provincial needs and enviroweenies, dictate what is done.
Canada exports more oil and gas today than it ever has before.
I understand that for a lot people who work in O&G it will never be enough - that dream of a $3 million house in Springbank remains out of reach. They want someone to blame, and U.S. shale producers and OPEC aren’t as attractive targets as eastern politicians.
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