Rasmus Andersson wants to remain a Calgary Flame

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashes

If this is all just posturing by Craig to squeeze other teams for more assets in a potential Andersson trade down the road then kudos, I'm all for it. But after passing up on the chance to trade Coleman coming off a 30 goal season that he'll never replicate, I'm not so sure.

I just hope we aren't passing up major opportunities to bolster the rebuild just to keep guys here because it "looks good" for the Flames to retain players after what happened with Johnny, Tkachuk, etc, etc.

Defence is the most stacked position for the Flames with prospects (Parekh, Mews, Morin, Poirier, Bru, Grushnikov, etc.). If there's a chance to turn Anderssson into assets that can address other areas of weakness (Centers) then it's foolish to not even consider that IMO.

Also with Mantha on LTIR, Barrie a non-factor, Kuzmenko losing his mojo, and Vladar playing average at best, it's not like we are swimming in grade A assets at the deadline. Last season we ripped off the bandaid and made all those UFA trades, now an Andersson trade this season is the next natural step in the rebuild IMO.

These are the moments of a rebuild/retool whatever you want to call it that are uncomfortable, but I'd rather see the Flames take a big swing for once. Trade the max-value asset and trust your scouts and development team to bring along young guys over the next few seasons to step into that spot.

He didn't want to be traded apparently so Conroy didn't go down that road.

He does have some sort of NT agreement...12 teams IIRC, but chances are Conroy is well aware of who would be interested and who Coleman would agree to. Likely decided he was worth more to the young team for this season than anything he would get back.

Probably will re-visit this in the summer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He didn't want to be traded apparently so Conroy didn't go down that road.

He does have some sort of NT agreement...12 teams IIRC, but chances are Conroy is well aware of who would be interested and who Coleman would agree to. Likely decided he was worth more to the young team for this season than anything he would get back.

Probably will re-visit this in the summer.

Years 1-3 he had a full NTC and now he as 10 team approved trade list. Him and Kadri will be really hard to trade because their trade clauses really limit their value. I don’t see them dumping either just to get out of the contracts

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He didn't want to be traded apparently so Conroy didn't go down that road.

He does have some sort of NT agreement...12 teams IIRC, but chances are Conroy is well aware of who would be interested and who Coleman would agree to. Likely decided he was worth more to the young team for this season than anything he would get back.

Probably will re-visit this in the summer.

And for all we know, Coleman wouldn't agree to be traded to any team (other than his list). He has a young family who are settled in Calgary.

I expect in his last year of his contract, if he knows he'll be moving on anyway, that may open up.

[Badgers Nose]

The Rasmus stuff is all posturing, on both sides.

Ras is saying the right things.

GMCC is saying the right things.

Whatever is going on in the background is on the down low. Apart from a few GM tantrums, such as whoever leaked to Lebrun that Flames are not listening to offers on Ras, it will probably be quiet until a few hours in advance of a deal.

[442scotty]

I say trade him. Anderson played up to his potential so he would be picked for Team Sweden then he reverted back to his old self. He’s a lot better than he shows but for whatever reason he doesn’t show it in Calgary. Hope we get a king’s ransom for him.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I say trade him. Anderson played up to his potential so he would be picked for Team Sweden then he reverted back to his old self. He’s a lot better than he shows but for whatever reason he doesn’t show it in Calgary. Hope we get a king’s ransom for him.

This is my concern, what you see is what you get and the longer he stays the more others will he convinced of the same. He is a good 2 or 3 with limited offense.

Trade him now its a first, very good prospect roster player. Another year of how he is playing now thats a first and a mid prospect.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I say trade him. Anderson played up to his potential so he would be picked for Team Sweden then he reverted back to his old self. He’s a lot better than he shows but for whatever reason he doesn’t show it in Calgary. Hope we get a king’s ransom for him.

Boy I don't understand this POV at all. The guy gives his all. He's slotted wrong because the Flames don't have a true #1. That's not on him.

[442scotty]

When Anderson started the year he really ramped it up! I assumed because he wanted to be picked for team Sweden. Am I wrong? I like the player. He has shown flashes of greatness in the past and I thought that maybe this year he was turning a corner with his start. Sure he gives his all defensively but it’s the offensive ability he has that’s on a whole other level. He showed it again at the start of the year so I have to ask, what’s up? Too much effort to show his offensive ability? What’s the explanation? That’s my only issue with Anderson. I want exciting to watch Anderson otherwise he’s pretty much replaceable

[traptor]

Rasmus is on pace this year for 33 points. It's not like he's dominant defensively either.


I'm open to re-sign him but the organization would be silly not to explore the offers, and the price/term has to be right.

I'm not sure why we'd want to pay him big money, probably in the 8.25x8 range, until he's 37, and lose the assets we could trade him for.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

When Anderson started the year he really ramped it up! I assumed because he wanted to be picked for team Sweden. Am I wrong? I like the player. He has shown flashes of greatness in the past and I thought that maybe this year he was turning a corner with his start. Sure he gives his all defensively but it’s the offensive ability he has that’s on a whole other level. He showed it again at the start of the year so I have to ask, what’s up? Too much effort to show his offensive ability? What’s the explanation? That’s my only issue with Anderson. I want exciting to watch Anderson otherwise he’s pretty much replaceable

Andersson...replaceable...lol



He's playing the hardest defensive minutes on the team while carrying a partner that has one full season of NHL experience. Only the all-star, perennial norris candidate-level dmen would be able to maintain Andersson's level of play from the first 20-30 games for a majority of the season in that kind of circumstance.

Even then, most of top dmen have a good supporting partner to lessen the load. Makar has Toews, Werenski has Provorov, Heiskanen has Lindell/Harley, Faber has Brodin/Spurgeon, Morrissey has Demelo, Pietranglo has Hanifin, Montour has Oleksiak, Fox has Lindgren, etc.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

When Anderson started the year he really ramped it up! I assumed because he wanted to be picked for team Sweden. Am I wrong? I like the player. He has shown flashes of greatness in the past and I thought that maybe this year he was turning a corner with his start. Sure he gives his all defensively but it’s the offensive ability he has that’s on a whole other level. He showed it again at the start of the year so I have to ask, what’s up? Too much effort to show his offensive ability? What’s the explanation? That’s my only issue with Anderson. I want exciting to watch Anderson otherwise he’s pretty much replaceable

Sample size
It was a hot start
Nothing more nothing less

[AustinL_NHL]

He's just not the type of player to lock up long-term, especially in the situation the Flames are in.

- His trade value will never be higher
- He's having a very underwhelming season after a hot start
- He's not outstanding offensively
- He's not outstanding defensively
- He's not an outstanding skater
- Really the only thing outstanding about him is his competitiveness & representing Calgary (both awesome traits obviously, but should be way at the bottom of qualities when it comes to such a contract)
- You're likely looking at locking him up till his age 36-37 season and an AAV of a #1 or #2 D-man, something that just reeks of disaster

Amazing competitor, amazing Calgarian, but not worth the risk, especially when you can get such quality assets in such a vital part of the Flames retool/rebuild

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

He's just not the type of player to lock up long-term, especially in the situation the Flames are in.

- His trade value will never be higher
- He's having a very underwhelming season after a hot start
- He's not outstanding offensively
- He's not outstanding defensively
- He's not an outstanding skater
- Really the only thing outstanding about him is his competitiveness & representing Calgary (both awesome traits obviously, but should be way at the bottom of qualities when it comes to such a contract)
- You're likely looking at locking him up till his age 36-37 season and an AAV of a #1 or #2 D-man, something that just reeks of disaster

Amazing competitor, amazing Calgarian, but not worth the risk, especially when you can get such quality assets in such a vital part of the Flames retool/rebuild

I have to disagree with you on your assessment of Andersson's contribution to the Flames. He's playing the most, and the hardest, minutes of any D on the team, playing with a partner who is very inexperienced and would be a bottom pairing D on most other teams. The Flames have nobody who can step in and play Andersson's 20+ hard minutes every game, and probably won't for 2-3 seasons. Paired with another top pairing D, Andersson would be among the best in the league, both offensively and defensively. But that's not the kind of partner he has. Name another offensively or defensively outstanding D in the league who plays with what should be a 3rd pairing partner.

I'm not saying he should not be traded, but the trade has to be one that helps to facilitate the Flames getting a true 1C. Not just for the sake of a trade or for obtaining a middle 6 forward.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I have to disagree with you on your assessment of Andersson's contribution to the Flames. He's playing the most, and the hardest, minutes of any D on the team, playing with a partner who is very inexperienced and would be a bottom pairing D on most other teams. The Flames have nobody who can step in and play Andersson's 20+ hard minutes every game, and probably won't for 2-3 seasons. Paired with another top pairing D, Andersson would be among the best in the league, both offensively and defensively. But that's not the kind of partner he has. Name another offensively or defensively outstanding D in the league who plays with what should be a 3rd pairing partner.

I'm not saying he should not be traded, but the trade has to be one that helps to facilitate the Flames getting a true 1C. Not just for the sake of a trade or for obtaining a middle 6 forward.

I mean there's no way for the Flames to know they're facilitating getting a true number 1 center or else the trading partner wouldn't be trading said player.

It's about taking an asset that has expressed he doesn't want to be here through a rebuild, combined with the fact that not signing him means signing a 10 goal, 40-50 point D-man to an $8+AAV retirement contract at 29, where most of the years will be declining vs trading him where the league views him as a huge asset for teams competing now and his ridiculously low cap hit with 50% retention is a prudent move for this rebuild.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I mean there's no way for the Flames to know they're facilitating getting a true number 1 center or else the trading partner wouldn't be trading said player.

It's about taking an asset that has expressed he doesn't want to be here through a rebuild, combined with the fact that not signing him means signing a 10 goal, 40-50 point D-man to an $8+AAV retirement contract at 29, where most of the years will be declining vs trading him where the league views him as a huge asset for teams competing now and his ridiculously low cap hit with 50% retention is a prudent move for this rebuild.

If he's worth $8M+ X 8 (so, say $68M), another team would have to pay him $9.7M AAV over a 7 year deal for the same dollar value contract. If he's worth nearly $10M/yr, he has to be seen by some GM as a #1D, and if he's not, then he won't get paid that much, either by the Flames or by another team. And I haven't seen any recent statement from Andersson that he doesn't want to be here for the rebuild, and in fact, he very recently said that he wants to stay, knowing full well what the team's current situation is.

He is definitely our most valuable trade piece. So we can't trade him for a less valuable piece, particularly not a middle 6 forward or a middle pairing D. There has to be a plan in place to turn him and other assets into a top line player, either through the draft or through the acquisition of a high-end prospect. Or else easily transferred assets that could collectively turn into something bigger.

[Mr.Coffee]

The decision should be trade. Have a long term view of this rebuild, for once, and it’ll work. That is if your goal actually is to win the cup which I seriously question.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The decision should be trade. Have a long term view of this rebuild, for once, and it’ll work. That is if your goal actually is to win the cup which I seriously question.

Only if it's a trade that that can help the Flames eventually acquire a top line forward. It probably won't be for a top line forward, since contenders generally want to keep those, but possibly a top prospect or high draft pick, or multiple easily movable assets.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by traptor

Rasmus is on pace this year for 33 points. It's not like he's dominant defensively either.


I'm open to re-sign him but the organization would be silly not to explore the offers, and the price/term has to be right.

I'm not sure why we'd want to pay him big money, probably in the 8.25x8 range, until he's 37, and lose the assets we could trade him for.

He is a legit top 4 dman, maybe top pairing on a mediocre team

There is a lot of value for trade

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I say trade him. Anderson played up to his potential so he would be picked for Team Sweden then he reverted back to his old self. He’s a lot better than he shows but for whatever reason he doesn’t show it in Calgary. Hope we get a king’s ransom for him.

Here is the way I approach it.

I genuinely dont want to trade him. We still need NHLers to play NHL minutes and you dont want Wolf or Vader to get absolutely shelled every single night. Thats not good for anyone.

However, that being said...if the Mafia comes by and offers you a deal that you just can't refuse??

*shrugs shoulders*

Everyone has a price.

Pay a man enough and he'll walk through Hell barefoot.

But it has to be comprehensive. Its not just:

Andersson doesnt play here anymore.

Its not just the minutes he chews, its also the mentorship, the leadership, the enthusiasm he brings...the sale price has to be worth all of that. And, hopefully, more.

[shutout]

The tanking crowd is always asking about how teams could become and remain competitive without burning it to the ground every dozen years and starting over.

A key tenant of the philosophy of not tanking is asset management.
That means that you need to cycle out older valuable assets in order to bring in younger assets that will benefit in the future.
Without this cycle you need to burn it to the ground and stockpile to replenish the cupboards.

Based on the idea of asset management I would not want to have players over the age of 32. For most players that would mean not paying them their third or fourth contracts.

For this reason I would be looking to sell Andersson at this tradeline to maximize future assets.

However, building and sustaining a culture of expectation and not giving up means that you need to embrace those seasons where you have a team that is play well or performing better than expected. By believing, rewarding, and building on those teams you are able to create a culture that will carry forward into future seasons. By trading Andersson before the end of this season would be the opposite of the type of culture that teams should be trying to create.

Unless the bottom drops out, which I do not believe will happen the best time to trade Andersson (unless there is an overpayment at the deadline) is to trade him prior to the draft this summer. Helps build the culture. Helps to build for a sustainable future.