2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We have an abundance of picks ? I count 8 in each of 25 and 26. We should be adding picks not trading them.

We do not need an abundance of picks every year. After last draft, I would suggest that we need a few quality assets in specific positions (C, LD).

If Buffalo changed their requirements and said they would give us Cozens and Byram for our entire 2025 draft picks, I would seriously consider saying yes because the best we could hope for from those picks is to find one of those guys (and then spend 5 years developing them).

Since a trade like that would never really happen, I would hope that Conroy try to make some moves this year and next year to get higher in the draft by consolidating assets. How high up the list could we move if we offered both 1sts and a second?

In general though, we need to keep in mind that having more picks is great for loading up and maintaining the prospect pipeline and hoping players develop from the system. But, if you overload it and get too many prospects then very quickly that pipeline will get jammed up at the 50 contract limit that every team has. At that point you would run into the problem of losing prospects before you can figure out if they are going to pan out because you cannot sign them to their ELC before you lose their rights.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Having a few extra picks every draft isn’t going to overload the system and I’d rather have that and give the scouts the opportunity to draft guys they like. Like a Wolf or Gaudreau or Kucherov.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Having a few extra picks every draft isn’t going to overload the system and I’d rather have that and give the scouts the opportunity to draft guys they like. Like a Wolf or Gaudreau or Kucherov.

That's just it though. We might have ine of those guys in Wolf and he was drafted in 2019.
If we hit another next year, with a similar development path, they wouldn't be making an impact until wolf is 29.

We'll need to balance the now, short term, mid term and long term.

Trading for a young center can check all those boxes.
But it has to be the right deal.

[Heavy Jack]

I mean if the 2024 draft doesn’t have you craving more picks I don’t know what will, Conroy has become such a unique GM because I think he has a pulse on drafting and scouting like few others do in his position. Suniev looks like he could be one of those potential players you mention too with how he’s progressing and his scoring ability in a tough league with limited action. I don’t think I’ve been this excited about our prospect situation and futures outlook ever lol. It’s remarkable when you start combing through the list and see so much potential names and also consider the likes of Wolf, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pachal and Pospisil are all graduated to full time NHlers… it’s awesome to see our drafting and development staff killing it and that really is a ringing endorsement of Conroy. Love it!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

That's just it though. We might have ine of those guys in Wolf and he was drafted in 2019.
If we hit another next year, with a similar development path, they wouldn't be making an impact until wolf is 29.

We'll need to balance the now, short term, mid term and long term.

Trading for a young center can check all those boxes.
But it has to be the right deal.

Goalies are good into their 30s and long as we don’t Kipper him I think he will be fine.

Especially if we draft high next year some of those guys will make almost immediate impacts.

Building a strong prospect base and having extra picks allows you to go out and get the right player when the time is right.

None of these centers being discussed will have the type of impact we need.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I mean if the 2024 draft doesn’t have you craving more picks I don’t know what will, Conroy has become such a unique GM because I think he has a pulse on drafting and scouting like few others do in his position. Suniev looks like he could be one of those potential players you mention too with how he’s progressing and his scoring ability in a tough league with limited action. I don’t think I’ve been this excited about our prospect situation and futures outlook ever lol. It’s remarkable when you start combing through the list and see so much potential names and also consider the likes of Wolf, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pachal and Pospisil are all graduated to full time NHlers… it’s awesome to see our drafting and development staff killing it and that really is a ringing endorsement of Conroy. Love it!

People look at Dallas and say you can't reproduce that kind of drafting. But it ignores the fact that Jim Nill is a pure scout turned GM. I have high hopes that Conny is in the same mold.

It's more than just a guy with a good eye. It is a guy who emphasizes that this is the best way to build a team, and builds out his departments accordingly. When you look at the Flames scouting and player development staff, it dwarfs that of Edmonton. Whereas they emphasize analytics and have a bigger data department.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Major Major

People look at Dallas and say you can't reproduce that kind of drafting. But it ignores the fact that Jim Nill is a pure scout turned GM. I have high hopes that Conny is in the same mold.

People also used to look at Detroit and say you couldn't reproduce that kind of drafting. Guess who was in charge of their scouting department for almost 20 years? Jim Nill.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Detroit also had unlimited resources pre cap for almost everything including scouts. Once the played field evened out Ken Holland was exposed for the bum he is.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Detroit also had unlimited resources pre cap for almost everything including scouts. Once the played field evened out Ken Holland was exposed for the bum he is.

There’s no way you’re not Pinder.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Detroit also had unlimited resources pre cap for almost everything including scouts. Once the played field evened out Ken Holland was exposed for the bum he is.

Ken Holland didn't build the Red Wings' system. Jimmy Devellano did.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

There’s no way you’re not Pinder.

Naaah
Pinder is much more clueless

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

People also used to look at Detroit and say you couldn't reproduce that kind of drafting. Guess who was in charge of their scouting department for almost 20 years? Jim Nill.

No one has reproduced their drafting and probably no one ever will. The odds of finding Zetterberg and Datsyuk in the 7th and 6th round in back to back years is probably 1 in 10 million.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one has reproduced their drafting and probably no one ever will. The odds of finding Zetterberg and Datsyuk in the 7th and 6th round in back to back years is probably 1 in 10 million.

I don’t really buy that the Red Wings deserve the credit they do for those picks.sure, at the end of the day, they picked them. But on the other hand if you look at their drafts from both of those years the Red Wings passed on both players several times.

If they had any idea either was going to be as good as they turned out to be, the Wings would have picked them in the first round.

They get a lot of credit for falling ass backwards into those players.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t really buy that the Red Wings deserve the credit they do for those picks.sure, at the end of the day, they picked them. But on the other hand if you look at their drafts from both of those years the Red Wings passed on both players several times.

If they had any idea either was going to be as good as they turned out to be, both would have gone in the first round.

The6 get a lot of credit for falling ass backwards into those players.

By that logic, no team ever deserves credit for any player drafted after the first round.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one has reproduced their drafting and probably no one ever will. The odds of finding Zetterberg and Datsyuk in the 7th and 6th round in back to back years is probably 1 in 10 million.

Pure incredible luck
Detroit had no clue how good these 2 were, otherwise they wouldn’t have passed on them so many times
They chose Tolsa, Maximenko and McDonell ahead of Zetterberg in 99
And
Fischer, Barnes, Valtonen, McCracken, Hobday, Steen and DeLeeuw ahead of Datsyuk in 98

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one has reproduced their drafting and probably no one ever will. The odds of finding Zetterberg and Datsyuk in the 7th and 6th round in back to back years is probably 1 in 10 million.

The odds improve dramatically when you're actually scouting Europe properly and other teams aren't.

Since the first days of professional hockey, there have been teams that went cheap on scouting to pay players more, and teams that went cheap on players to do more scouting. The latter always outperform the former in the long run.

In the big salary inflation of the 1990s, a lot of smaller-market teams cut back their scouting and development budgets and spent that money trying to keep up with escalating player salaries. The Flames were one of those teams. By the time of the lockout, they had only a handful of scouts and only a shared AHL team. Any team that prioritized scouting and development had an easy advantage in that environment.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one has reproduced their drafting and probably no one ever will. The odds of finding Zetterberg and Datsyuk in the 7th and 6th round in back to back years is probably 1 in 10 million.

Wolf and ...

Solovyov?
Kerins?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The odds improve dramatically when you're actually scouting Europe properly and other teams aren't.

Since the first days of professional hockey, there have been teams that went cheap on scouting to pay players more, and teams that went cheap on players to do more scouting. The latter always outperform the former in the long run.

In the big salary inflation of the 1990s, a lot of smaller-market teams cut back their scouting and development budgets and spent that money trying to keep up with escalating player salaries. The Flames were one of those teams. By the time of the lockout, they had only a handful of scouts and only a shared AHL team. Any team that prioritized scouting and development had an easy advantage in that environment.

And there's no cap on scouting, any serious NHL team present day should be putting millions into scouting every year, imo.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Not sure if it’s legit but some chatter online that the nixed deal was Miller for Chytil, Lindgren and a 1st
Seems about right

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure if it’s legit but some chatter online that the nixed deal was Miller for Chytil, Lindgren and a 1st
Seems about right

Yeah, discussed a page back. I'd imagine he'll still go for something at this point as I feel it's past the point of no return.