Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[puffnstuff]

Thats the biggest use of the word if I have read today. The R's are always helping the little guy arent they? Hilarious.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Did you see who was front and center today earlier today? Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg. Not exactly the working class heroes in the country.

He doesn't care about the little guy. He doesn't need their votes anymore. He cares about himself, his ego, his wallet. That's it. The grift is on and he doesn't care about anybody but himself.

Greatest scam Trump pulled was convincing the rust belt that a billionaire was on their side. He didn’t improve much for them in his first term and I’m not holding my breath he’ll do much in his second term. I’m guessing the rich are going to get a whole lot richer instead

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Pichai, Ambani etc all with (almost) front-row seats at Trump's inauguration.

I am not saying he is and will be, I just don't know. Personal opinion is the people above should have been executed a long time ago for their crimes by the government but such is life. I do know that there is a movement that is bigger than Trump that has been brewing for a long time. Perhaps it's Trump, Vance or someone else. I really don't know but realistically how much longer can both parties continue to go down the path they are on without political repercussions and a civil war between have and have not's?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not saying he is and will be, I just don't know. Personal opinion is the people above should have been executed a long time ago for their crimes by the government but such is life. I do know that there is a movement that is bigger than Trump that has been brewing for a long time. Perhaps it's Trump, Vance or someone else. I really don't know but realistically how much longer can both parties continue to go down the path they are on without political repercussions and a civil war between have and have not's?

Probably a long time still since the large swaths of the have-nots continue to believe in and vote for someone like Donald Trump. I hope I'm wrong, but its not encouraging.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not saying he is and will be, I just don't know. Personal opinion is the people above should have been executed a long time ago for their crimes by the government but such is life. I do know that there is a movement that is bigger than Trump that has been brewing for a long time. Perhaps it's Trump, Vance or someone else. I really don't know but realistically how much longer can both parties continue to go down the path they are on without political repercussions and a civil war between have and have not's?

It’s pretty simple in my opinion. The wealth gap is growing and typically countries are happiest when that gap is smaller and there is a healthy middle class but the tensions will increase as it continues to grow. There are a lot of arguments to be made about why the gap is growing but I think trickle down economics were the start. I just don’t believe the republicans will be the one to shrink the gap. The dems will need to start campaigning on it if they want to shift away from culture wars but they passed on their chance with Sanders.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Did you see who was front and center today earlier today? Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg. Not exactly the working class heroes in the country.

He doesn't care about the little guy. He doesn't need their votes anymore. He cares about himself, his ego, his wallet. That's it. The grift is on and he doesn't care about anybody but himself.

It seems to me that the “Rich Men North of Richmond” just got a whole lot richer.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Trudeau is still leader right now and has said he will only resign once a new leader is chosen. He has not resigned yet. He could do a reverse uno and just decide to stick around.

They are still all part of the same party and have a country to run and they are swinging at each other on national TV while calling current policies they enacted as garbage.

What a total debacle, and some folks here actually prefer this over an election and potential of someone else taking over.

So if Skippy these kinds of comments it’s fine, but somehow if Freeland does it’s inappropriate? Gimme a break. You must have been naively hoping that everyone would laud Trudeau and ride into the election like they’re facing a firing squad?

Of course the leadership candidates are going to throw him under the bus. I’m not sure if you noticed, but he’s a little unpopular these days.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Trudeau is still leader right now and has said he will only resign once a new leader is chosen. He has not resigned yet. He could do a reverse uno and just decide to stick around.

They are still all part of the same party and have a country to run and they are swinging at each other on national TV while calling current policies they enacted as garbage.

What a total debacle, and some folks here actually prefer this over an election and potential of someone else taking over.

I think he has to resign once a new leader is chosen. He only hasn't resigned so that he can remain PM for a little while longer and so that power didn't have to be turned over to the Deputy PM.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Slava

So if Skippy these kinds of comments it’s fine, but somehow if Freeland does it’s inappropriate? Gimme a break. You must have been naively hoping that everyone would laud Trudeau and ride into the election like they’re facing a firing squad?

Of course the leadership candidates are going to throw him under the bus. I’m not sure if you noticed, but he’s a little unpopular these days.

I would have loved to have been in the room if and when his advisors said it's going to get ugly. We are in fascinating situation where a lot of MP's, supporters and leadership hopeful's are effectively telling people that this Turkey is totally brain dead. He is still head of the government and leading the charge on important files like US politics.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Slava

So if Skippy these kinds of comments it’s fine, but somehow if Freeland does it’s inappropriate? Gimme a break. You must have been naively hoping that everyone would laud Trudeau and ride into the election like they’re facing a firing squad?

Of course the leadership candidates are going to throw him under the bus. I’m not sure if you noticed, but he’s a little unpopular these days.

They aren't stupid like the Conservatives. They saw how Harris didn't throw Biden under the bus and she lost to a felon rapist.

[BoLevi]

It's pathetic that Canadians are so upset at tariffs in the US, and we tolerate the dairy industry protectionism here.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It's pathetic that Canadians are so upset at tariffs in the US, and we tolerate the dairy industry protectionism here.

Nice false equivalence. I’m not a huge fan of supply management, but it’s not a 25% tariff because they buy our resources in larger quantities.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It’s pretty simple in my opinion. The wealth gap is growing and typically countries are happiest when that gap is smaller and there is a healthy middle class but the tensions will increase as it continues to grow. There are a lot of arguments to be made about why the gap is growing but I think trickle down economics were the start. I just don’t believe the republicans will be the one to shrink the gap. The dems will need to start campaigning on it if they want to shift away from culture wars but they passed on their chance with Sanders.

Too small of a wealth gap is bad, as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

They aren't stupid like the Conservatives. They saw how Harris didn't throw Biden under the bus and she lost to a felon rapist.

You expected Harris to toss Biden under the bus while she was still his VP?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It's pathetic that Canadians are so upset at tariffs in the US, and we tolerate the dairy industry protectionism here.

I agree supply management should be phased out but it does have to come with the understanding that the dairy and poultry market will be crushed by heavily subsidized American products. I think it is an easy give if the government gets something in return. It also isn’t the same at all as wide spread 25% tariff

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Too small of a wealth gap is bad, as well.

Wake me up when we get there. It has been trending steadily in one direction.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Trudeau is still leader right now and has said he will only resign once a new leader is chosen. He has not resigned yet. He could do a reverse uno and just decide to stick around.

They are still all part of the same party and have a country to run and they are swinging at each other on national TV while calling current policies they enacted as garbage.

What a total debacle, and some folks here actually prefer this over an election and potential of someone else taking over.

Im pretty sure I read somewhere, in the Liberal constitution it states if a leader resigns publicly, he's done. No way back. Thats not to say I don't think the greasy F##K couldn't find some way around it, but I doubt it. He's done.

Hopefully a lot sooner than he thinks now too! If we can get a favorable ruling from the courts Feb 14, committee should sit right away, and as long as Jagmeet does what he said he is going to do (HAHAHAHAHA I can't believe I actually just typed that), should be a NC vote within a day or two. The #### would hit the fan if the Libs haven't even selected a leader and the house dissolves in mid Feb. As if this absolute s##tshow couldn't get any crazier. Wild times.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think we are in for a very interesting 4 years and in a period of time that is changing globally. Trump and the Republican's have an opportunity ahead of them that is very unique that has almost never happened in American history. A former President is returning to the office without any re-election concerns (in theory) and has Senate, House and Supreme Court mostly on their side. I am not saying that this level of power is good but it is unique.

I think that if Trump and company are laser focused on the little guy and actually uplifting and rebuilding America and parts of America that are currently economically depressed, it will be interesting for sure.

There are a lot of policies that could be game changing and others that are mostly for show. I don't know how good or bad this will be and we will know more over the coming months and years.

Bringing it back to Canadian politics, it's apparent that amateur hour should be over for all of Canada. Canadian business, business owners, policies, interprovincial trade barriers, new markets and a smarter way of doing things. Ideologies need to go out the door and we need to expand our economic standing for ourselves and improve our future. I have said it before and I will say it again, We Canadian's are beyond moronic and I really hope this wake up call from America allows us to see it and actually move forward united, smart, with business, security and economic issues at the front.

The US has an enormous amount of economic potential that is not unlocked. It is being hindered by bad fiscal policy, growing public spending, too much regulation.

The concept that unlocking the potential of an economy is "trickle down economics" is absurd. The very term implies someone has a too simplistic view of the economy and how humans create wealth. In a free market, people get rich as a consequence of economic wealth production. The notion that free markets are attempting to hand capital to the rich which then they will hand out in a miserly fashion is nonsense. It shows a fundamentally unsound view of the complexity of an economy. They aren't built in hierarchies, despite the inequal distribution of wealth. They are more like flat networks, with some parts of that network accumulating more capital. This is incompatible with the notion of "trickle down". There is no trickle because there is no down. It's nonsense.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Andy83

Im pretty sure I read somewhere, in the Liberal constitution it states if a leader resigns publicly, he's done. No way back. Thats not to say I don't think the greasy F##K couldn't find some way around it, but I doubt it. He's done.

Hopefully a lot sooner than he thinks now too! If we can get a favorable ruling from the courts Feb 14, committee should sit right away, and as long as Jagmeet does what he said he is going to do (HAHAHAHAHA I can't believe I actually just typed that), should be a NC vote within a day or two. The #### would hit the fan if the Libs haven't even selected a leader and the house dissolves in mid Feb. As if this absolute s##tshow couldn't get any crazier. Wild times.

That’s just not true. His dear old dad did the same thing.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Wake me up when we get there. It has been trending steadily in one direction.

Wealth concentration occurs as the result of too much gov't intervention, allowing gov'ts monopoly on power to be captured.

It's why actual socialist countries have the most concentrated wealth.