Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

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Healthcare is a good example. We know that the best way to deliver necessary services to your people is through a competition based system (let's call it capitalist).

Anything to back that up?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Starting to think MelBridgeman isn't smart. In fact I think he might be dumb. And I mean that medically, it's not a personal attack if it's medical.

I take ad hominen retorts as i sign of victory, because if that is all you got, it's because you can't counter any of my points. LOL

MOPPED.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Nope i was asking you a question because i was too lazy to look it up.

Again the spin the spin, you are wrong in your assertion. Just admit it.

Now go find something else please? Otherwise this is getting off topic.

So not only do you post misinformation, you're admitting to trolling. Nice.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I take ad hominen retorts as i sign of victory, because if that is all you got, it's because you can't counter any of my points. LOL

MOPPED.

Hmmm

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You are conversing with socialists, if they understood capitalism they wouldn't be socialist. Socialists are a "race to the bottom" negative types, focus on the negatives, ignore the positives. Everything is black and white and all i can see in life are the problems, then in turn support policies that make them worse.

Dunning and Kruger would be rolling in their grave, if they were in fact dead.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

What are the bad things you reject from the right, and what are the good things you keep from the left? Just to satisfy my curiosity.

Well maybe you should define what you think right and left are, i am not talking about the extremes because they literaly have the same traits, ideals and think the same way.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hmmm

There is a difference between explicitly calling someone dumb and making a general factual statement that did not call any one person out.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I take ad hominen retorts as i sign of victory,.

i sign you sign, everywhere i sign sign.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

i sign you sign, everywhere i sign sign.

OMG A typo

[Roughneck]

[QUOTE=MelBridgeman;9309429]Well maybe you should define what you think right and left are, i am not talking about the extremes because they literaly have the same traits, ideals and think the same way.[/quite]

No need to base your views on my interpretations of the spectrum, you can provide the examples based on your interpretation of left and right of the horseshoe. I’m also genuinely interested in what the good parts of the heels of the horseshoe are, in your opinion.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Well, your question was worded in a way that wasn't useful if you were looking for a specific answer. You asked if there were countries with "zero socialst policies". I take it that you meant zero social programs.

Healthcare is a good example. We know that the best way to deliver necessary services to your people is through a competition based system (let's call it capitalist). The challenge with healthcare appears to be ensuring that that system isn't corrupted. People erroneously use the US as a model for market based healthcare, but it's a straw man. The US healthcare system is highly funded by the public coffers, and the remainder of it is captured by any number of interests - usually using the long arm of gov't to enforce various rent-seeking policies. The "socialized" alternative, like Canada's also does a poor job: mostly because of administrative capture, labour union excesses, and a general lack of motivation (ie incentive), to deliver.

I think there is good data to show that social safety nets can have a positive impact on entrepreneurism, and I believe that is likely the case. The flipside is that capitalism and socialism aren't just systems, they are moods. It's harder to have the benefit of capitalism if the citizenry aren't into it. Is a citizenry that is very into social programs the same citizenry that is interested in the go hard or go home attitude that makes capitalism work?

We are probably better off when gov't spending was predominantly on infrastructure, defence, etc. instead of the current version which is predominantly on services and little on infrastructure. The former creates a public good(s), and the latter does not.

A healthy, well-educated population with relatively equal opportunities to succeed is just as much a public good as a bridge IMO.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

No need to base your views on my interpretations of the spectrum, you can provide the examples based on your interpretation of left and right of the horseshoe. I’m also genuinely interested in what the good parts of the heels of the horseshoe are, in your opinion.

More people on the right hold on to traditional values than the left, the world is constantly changing, so it makes no sense to hold on to certain traditional values.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

There is a difference between explicitly calling someone dumb and making a general factual statement that did not call any one person out.

What if it’s a factual statement?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow. I'm willing to give Carney a shot...but that was brutal. He answered no questions with anything other than political platitudes and deflected the rest.

Thanks but no thanks.

Just admit you are a rightwinger that supported the freedumb convoy. lol

Thanks but no thanks... vs a Pollywantacracker.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Well maybe you should define what you think right and left are

Literally, they are opposing directions.

Politically, they are made up theoretical terms.

What do I win?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

ha ha ha ha ha i think you are the one spreading misinformation lol.

1. The link you sent does not backup your claim that i stated the Jacinda Ardern was voted out. It contains you stating some misinformation.

Now for the Facts/Truth

I asked you a question



I never ever ever stated anything as fact, it was a question, that you are now misrepresenting, which is misinformation.

here is the link

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...hlight=Jacinda


MUTA JUST GOT MOPPED

Take the L braaaaah lol

It was great the last time you took so many Ls you didn't post for 3 days crying naked on your bathroom floor.

You won't be missed Mel! lol

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Anything to back that up?

Food. Would you want the AHS or any public health service to run your food distribution?

Fuel. As above.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

OIOI we can play the whatboutism game, i was strictly talking about the people on the left of the political horsehoe, since it's a horseshoe, the people on the right also do the samething, hence it's a horseshoe. The thing is the people on the left don't realize they are doing it and should be smart enough to realize it in contrast to the people on the right who aren't smart enough to realize it.


Now there are people in the center, who take the good for both sides and reject the bad. Which is where I am ! DEAD CENTER. People like Pickles seem to refuse to do that.

OIOI you are just a lovely union hack, not saying it's bad but at least on that one subject you tend to ignore all the bad

I mean we all do it from time to time just some more than others.

I’ll gladly play your game.

Please share all of the positive things you can say about unions and their benefits to workers.

You claim to be right in the middle so it shouldn’t be difficult for you.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Food. Would you want the AHS or any public health service to run your food distribution?

Fuel. As above.

So you got commodities, kind of. Healthcare isn’t a commodity that can be optimized and profited off of. Food is also a funny example because it is heavily subsidized and regulated along the entire supply chain either directly or indirectly in most countries. So it doesn’t even really fit your description.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’ll gladly play your game.

Please share all of the positive things you can say about unions and their benefits to workers.

You claim to be right in the middle so it shouldn’t be difficult for you.

Unions provide a happy medium for goverment employees who may never get a raise versus free market empoyees who get raises every year. Getting raises every few years is better than nothing but not as good a employees in competitve free market industries.


The middle!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Well, your question was worded in a way that wasn't useful if you were looking for a specific answer. You asked if there were countries with "zero socialst policies". I take it that you meant zero social programs.

Your misinterpretation doesn’t mean the question was worded poorly. You’ve been rambling on about socialism without clarifying that you only don’t like some parts of it.

Healthcare is a good example. We know that the best way to deliver necessary services to your people is through a competition based system (let's call it capitalist). The challenge with healthcare appears to be ensuring that that system isn't corrupted. People erroneously use the US as a model for market based healthcare, but it's a straw man. The US healthcare system is highly funded by the public coffers, and the remainder of it is captured by any number of interests - usually using the long arm of gov't to enforce various rent-seeking policies. The "socialized" alternative, like Canada's also does a poor job: mostly because of administrative capture, labour union excesses, and a general lack of motivation (ie incentive), to deliver.

I think there is good data to show that social safety nets can have a positive impact on entrepreneurism, and I believe that is likely the case. The flipside is that capitalism and socialism aren't just systems, they are moods. It's harder to have the benefit of capitalism if the citizenry aren't into it. Is a citizenry that is very into social programs the same citizenry that is interested in the go hard or go home attitude that makes capitalism work?

We are probably better off when gov't spending was predominantly on infrastructure, defence, etc. instead of the current version which is predominantly on services and little on infrastructure. The former creates a public good(s), and the latter does not.

And you continue to be vague about it. Healthcare delivery isn’t a capitalist or socialist issue in itself. Both a publicly funded and free-market system can work and/or be flawed to varying degrees. Neither system is a mood though, that’s kind of a ridiculous assertion in my opinion.