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Old 01-20-2025, 03:05 PM   #18901
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How do you answer a question when you're constantly being attacked and interrupted? Pollieve is so off putting with this kind of behavior. Imagine that garbage dialogue from a PM.
He already had his script of what he wanted to say, he didn't care at all about Carney's reply as long as he got half the sentence he needed to bark at him for the next 3 minutes. To see that interaction as Carny's failure is only to observe that he didn't realize what a petulant mud pie Pierre was before the call.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:06 PM   #18902
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The parts of Canada that are socialist are also the parts that are the crappiest. Healthcare. Broken. Equalization. Broken. FN Reserve system. Broken. Public Service. Broken. Climate Change policy. Broken.

Canada is a country with enough capitalism and natural resources to bail out the ongoing misguided socialism.
Says a lot that, on the same page, the same poster can wag his finger about using the strict definition of socialism in this discussion and then describe the Indian reserve regime as "socialist".

It all just feels like word salad.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:21 PM   #18903
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Remember when he claimed he's here on CP to combat misinformation? The dude literally posts misinformation and conveniently gets amnesia when he's called out on it.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:22 PM   #18904
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Says a lot that, on the same page, the same poster can wag his finger about using the strict definition of socialism in this discussion and then describe the Indian reserve regime as "socialist".

It all just feels like word salad.
I’ve noticed that with a few of the returnees/“new” guys. They think substance=word count, and that the best way to answer a question is just to repeat the same position with more words without actually adding anything substance.

It’s basically this exchange:
“I like pepperoni”
“Why do you like pepperoni?”
“I like pepperoni a lot, I think pepperoni is the best. I have eaten other things and I really like pepperoni. Pepperoni is good, to me. And I bet if you polled other people they would say they also like pepperoni. I’ve had ham, which is not pepperoni, and I like pepperoni.”
“OK but why pepperoni”
“I have answered that!!”

And then just throwing socialism around, I guess. No substance, none of it really means anything or comes close to honest conversation. At least BoLevi is honest that he’s just here to work out his own argument and Mel just to troll. But then you’ve got others who you just have to imagine truly have never given a second thought to their opinions and have no idea to produce more than word salad.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:23 PM   #18905
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The parts of Canada that are socialist are also the parts that are the crappiest. Healthcare. Broken. Equalization. Broken. FN Reserve system. Broken. Public Service. Broken. Climate Change policy. Broken.

Canada is a country with enough capitalism and natural resources to bail out the ongoing misguided socialism.
We are only doing better than the have-not provinces:

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Remember when he claimed he's here on CP to combat misinformation? The dude literally posts misinformation and conveniently gets amnesia when he's called out on it.
Do you have amnesia on my posts that should be classified as misinformation? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Excited for the spin!
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:37 PM   #18907
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Do you have amnesia on my posts that should be classified as misinformation? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Excited for the spin!
Remember when you suggested New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern was voted out, and then you were properly taken to task on it because it was blatant misinformation?

Pepperidge Farm remembers, and right from this very thread:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpost.php?p=9303463&postcount=17958
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:38 PM   #18908
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The parts of Canada that are socialist are also the parts that are the crappiest. Healthcare. Broken. Equalization. Broken. FN Reserve system. Broken. Public Service. Broken. Climate Change policy. Broken.

Canada is a country with enough capitalism and natural resources to bail out the ongoing misguided socialism.
You are conversing with socialists, if they understood capitalism they wouldn't be socialist. Socialists are a "race to the bottom" negative types, focus on the negatives, ignore the positives. Everything is black and white and all i can see in life are the problems, then in turn support policies that make them worse.

Dunning and Kruger would be rolling in their grave, if they were in fact dead.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:40 PM   #18909
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Wow. I'm willing to give Carney a shot...but that was brutal. He answered no questions with anything other than political platitudes and deflected the rest.

Thanks but no thanks.
When was he allowed to talk?
Sounded like he was suggesting he's not anti-pipeline but supports some and not others.
Depending on feasibility and the specifics of each one.

PP kept cutting him off and trying to paint it as you're either pro pipeline or anti pipeline; no room for specifics or details or even finishing a sentence.

After pages of people arguing about others being stuck in their ideology, don't we want leaders who aren't so black & white?
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You are conversing with socialists, if they understood capitalism they wouldn't be socialist. Socialists are a "race to the bottom" negative types, focus on the negatives, ignore the positives. Everything is black and white and all i can see in life are the problems, then in turn support policies that make them worse.

Dunning and Kruger would be rolling in their grave, if they were in fact dead.
You realize all of the richest countries in the world including the US rest their wealth on what are essentially state sponsored development, basically capitalism desperately needs socialism to thrive
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:50 PM   #18911
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You are conversing with socialists, if they understood capitalism they wouldn't be socialist. Socialists are a "race to the bottom" negative types, focus on the negatives, ignore the positives. Everything is black and white and all i can see in life are the problems, then in turn support policies that make them worse.

Dunning and Kruger would be rolling in their grave, if they were in fact dead.
This post is gold. Splits everyone into 2 camps with no rhyme or reasoning, then accuses the camp he doesn’t like of viewing everything as black and white.

“Focus on the negatives, ignore the positives.” I mean do you not see the irony in you of all people saying that?

I don’t understand how so many people can be so frustrated by your posts. I find them extraordinarily entertaining to read.
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Remember when you suggested New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern was voted out, and then you were properly taken to task on it because it was blatant misinformation?

Pepperidge Farm remembers, and right from this very thread:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpost.php?p=9303463&postcount=17958
ha ha ha ha ha i think you are the one spreading misinformation lol.

1. The link you sent does not backup your claim that i stated the Jacinda Ardern was voted out. It contains you stating some misinformation.

Now for the Facts/Truth

I asked you a question

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You still in NZ? What happened to Jacinda Ardern? Did the citzens give her the ole boot too?
I never ever ever stated anything as fact, it was a question, that you are now misrepresenting, which is misinformation.

here is the link

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...hlight=Jacinda


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Old 01-20-2025, 03:51 PM   #18913
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After pages of people arguing about others being stuck in their ideology, don't we want leaders who aren't so black & white?
Are you suggesting PP is a socialist?!?!
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:53 PM   #18914
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ha ha ha ha ha i think you are the one spreading misinformation lol.

1. The link you sent does not backup your claim that i stated the Jacinda Ardern was voted out. It contains you stating some misinformation.

Now for the Facts/Truth

I asked you a question



I never ever ever stated anything as fact, it was a question, that you are now misrepresenting, which is misinformation.

here is the link

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...hlight=Jacinda


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Take the L braaaaah lol

So you admit you intentionally stated misinformation in the form of a question, in order to absolve yourself of being accused of posting misinformation... nice. You literally post misinformation, made worse by the fact that you're trying to hide it.

Take the L brah
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:57 PM   #18915
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This post is gold. Splits everyone into 2 camps with no rhyme or reasoning, then accuses the camp he doesn’t like of viewing everything as black and white.

“Focus on the negatives, ignore the positives.” I mean do you not see the irony in you of all people saying that?

I don’t understand how so many people can be so frustrated by your posts. I find them extraordinarily entertaining to read.
OIOI we can play the whatboutism game, i was strictly talking about the people on the left of the political horsehoe, since it's a horseshoe, the people on the right also do the samething, hence it's a horseshoe. The thing is the people on the left don't realize they are doing it and should be smart enough to realize it in contrast to the people on the right who aren't smart enough to realize it.


Now there are people in the center, who take the good for both sides and reject the bad. Which is where I am ! DEAD CENTER. People like Pickles seem to refuse to do that.

OIOI you are just a lovely union hack, not saying it's bad but at least on that one subject you tend to ignore all the bad

I mean we all do it from time to time just some more than others.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:58 PM   #18916
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So you admit you intentionally stated misinformation in the form of a question, in order to absolve yourself of being accused of posting misinformation... nice. You literally post misinformation, made worse by the fact that you're trying to hide it.

Take the L brah
Nope i was asking you a question because i was too lazy to look it up.

Again the spin the spin, you are wrong in your assertion. Just admit it.

Now go find something else please? Otherwise this is getting off topic.
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Old 01-20-2025, 03:59 PM   #18917
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Ok so where do you draw the line?

It’s difficult to determine how valid anything you’re saying actually is when you’re continually painting everything with a broad brush. Even if where you’ve drawn your line in the sand is arguably arbitrary, stating the specifics is conducive to a more productive discussion.

Decrying socialism so broadly suggests that you’re against it in all forms, meaning you oppose even things like a publicly funded fire department. I don’t think that’s the message you’re trying to get across but at the same time I can’t say I have any real idea what message you’re trying to get across because you’re being way too vague.
Well, your question was worded in a way that wasn't useful if you were looking for a specific answer. You asked if there were countries with "zero socialst policies". I take it that you meant zero social programs.

Healthcare is a good example. We know that the best way to deliver necessary services to your people is through a competition based system (let's call it capitalist). The challenge with healthcare appears to be ensuring that that system isn't corrupted. People erroneously use the US as a model for market based healthcare, but it's a straw man. The US healthcare system is highly funded by the public coffers, and the remainder of it is captured by any number of interests - usually using the long arm of gov't to enforce various rent-seeking policies. The "socialized" alternative, like Canada's also does a poor job: mostly because of administrative capture, labour union excesses, and a general lack of motivation (ie incentive), to deliver.

I think there is good data to show that social safety nets can have a positive impact on entrepreneurism, and I believe that is likely the case. The flipside is that capitalism and socialism aren't just systems, they are moods. It's harder to have the benefit of capitalism if the citizenry aren't into it. Is a citizenry that is very into social programs the same citizenry that is interested in the go hard or go home attitude that makes capitalism work?

We are probably better off when gov't spending was predominantly on infrastructure, defence, etc. instead of the current version which is predominantly on services and little on infrastructure. The former creates a public good(s), and the latter does not.
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Starting to think MelBridgeman isn't smart. In fact I think he might be dumb. And I mean that medically, it's not a personal attack if it's medical.
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Now there are people in the center, who take the good for both sides and reject the bad. Which is where I am ! DEAD CENTER. People like Pickles seem to refuse to do that.
What are the bad things you reject from the right, and what are the good things you keep from the left? Just to satisfy my curiosity.
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I feel like anyone who wants American style healthcare is either rich or hasn’t actually lived in the US. Having health care being dependent on employment is definitely not ideal and neither is having insurance companies profit off of care. I don’t trust my car insurance company and that’s just a car. Medical debt bankrupting folks is also borderline criminal.
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