The parts of Canada that are socialist are also the parts that are the crappiest. Healthcare. Broken. Equalization. Broken. FN Reserve system. Broken. Public Service. Broken. Climate Change policy. Broken.
Canada is a country with enough capitalism and natural resources to bail out the ongoing misguided socialism.
I cant understand how Carney is being perceived as a Centrist. He has a plethora of published material and interviews where he discusses what would be considered for certain socialist views and dabbles into Marxism.
Maybe he just decided this week he is a Centrist and had a political re- awakening? Can a Tiger change his stripes that quick?
His leadership bid speech was certainly what I would consider centrist
He also believes in pipelines for other countries not called Canada as long as his company profits.
Maybe he's just an opportunist that changes tune as the tide goes?
No i did make a comment on "success" of anything, you characterized them as "socialist" countries, which they are not, they are capitalist countries with social programs very much like Canada.
And no i did say anything about more taxes for the wealthy, I said in Canada the wealthy pay most of the bill, in those countries in Europe, the tax burden is more evenly spread out, which means lower income people pay more taxes than they might in Canada.
But we've been through this before and it's in one ear and out the other with you.
Which is nonsense, because I routinely speak out against tax cuts, and supported increasing the GST, and adding a PST and taxing inheritance transfers of wealth to a greater degree.
Which is nonsense, because I routinely speak out against tax cuts, and supported increasing the GST, and adding a PST and taxing inheritance transfers of wealth to a greater degree.
is that the solution to everything? tax tax tax tax tax tax?
Nothing that happened in Canada had any impact on what Trump did. Canadian's have a remarkable delusion of grandeur. We don't matter. Nobody cares.
Being Canadian who now lives in the US, this is very accurate. Living in Canada is a lot like living in a hotel suite with a giant one-way mirror looking into a large ballroom. Canadians can see and understand most of what goes on in American society, but Americans see little and understand less of what goes on in Canada.
It leads to a few things:
1) Canadians massively conflate US cultural and social issues as also being 'Canadian' issues. A few examples:
- Whenever there's a notable shooting in the US, most Federal Liberal government's response is to ban a new list of long guns that are almost entirely used for hunting to capitalize on the mood of Canadians reacting to the US shooting. Canada point blank doesn't have a gun problem, but yet we're made to pretend we do whenever something in the US happens. As a Canadian in the US, once you start talking to your neighbors you quickly learn that literally everyone has a cache of guns in their house/car. Whereas in Canada it's exceedingly rare for anyone in an urban setting to have any kind of a gun.
-When I visited YYC at Christmas I noticed the giant graffiti along the bow pathway into downtown that said "Deny, Defend, Depose." As someone who currently has US health insurance and has a grasp on how it's a huge issue here but yet grew up in Alberta, it's absolutely comical that in Calgary there's people picking that up as some sort of relevant rallying cry. The issue Luigi was fighting against doesn't even exist in Canada.
2) Canadians presume that Americans know and follow Canadian issues the same as they follow out of state issues elsewhere in the US. They simply do not. I live in a state that's an hour from the border. Ask most locals and outside of a booze fueled gambling trip to Caesar's in Windsor when they were aged 19-20, they have no idea what lurks across the lake / river let alone be attuned to any news happenings there.
3) On issues of mutual interest, American's have a giant blind spot to any other perspective. Only specialists whose literal job it is to understand Canadian issues in US government would even know the most basic of facts, even when it comes to trade between the two countries. That's why it's probably a good idea to get as much face time as possible to demonstrate the many ways tariffs directed at Canada can backfire on Americans. The US experts know, but the more generalist decision makers need to be educated on it. Any facetime in Mar-A-Largo, Washington, etc. can be constructive to illustrate the facts. The whole Danielle Smith / 9 other premiers drama of last week probably wasn't noticed by anyone other the most nerdy politicos in the US including probably most of the incoming Trump administration but yet I bet more than half posters in this thread could probably describe the timeline of the Matt Gaetz nomination for AG fiasco before Christmas.
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His leadership bid speech was certainly what I would consider centrist
He also believes in pipelines for other countries not called Canada as long as his company profits.
Maybe he's just an opportunist that changes tune as the tide goes?
Wow. I'm willing to give Carney a shot...but that was brutal. He answered no questions with anything other than political platitudes and deflected the rest.
Thanks but no thanks.
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Can all of the people bringing up the socialism boogeyman list their examples of countries they are aspiring for us to be like that have zero socialist policies by or programs?
That's quite the whataboutism effort for someone claiming to be non-partisan. Bringing up something that a PM did 17 years ago to excuse a recent action (when someone did it in 2020 if you wanted a fresher example) is absolutely being partisan and that has nothing to do with RW populism as you claim.
I can find many many examples of you doing this that goes well beyond being upset with RW populism.
Are those your posts when Chemgear mentioned that Freeland had protestors interrupt her leadership bid? Once it was revealed it was in fact pro-Palestinian protestors (a cause you are a huge advocate of) you suddenly became completely silent and ignored the subject. You can bet if it was "RW media rabble rousers" you would have made several posts condemning it. Passing it as a reasonable question, when you probably searched for it online and got your hopes dashed.
It's totally fine to be completely against social conservatism (I am as well) and being a voice against it and against RW populism, but that doesn't seem to be what you are doing at all.
You've gone off the deep end.
Not going to derail any further, but I do feel I can defend against the Harper thing as, one, it was a jest and a referrer to another time PM used porogeing to save their political skin so I'm not sure how that's partisan, as I didn't say Trudeau was right either. "Both did the same thing you are complaining about" isn't all that partisan.
And yes, it was reasonable to ponder if Freeland had the same issue Carney had with fake news trying to stir stuff up. As to the Palestinian part of it, no I don't support those protests, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were put up to it by Russia, since Putin freakin' hates her, and has used the Hamas Israel conflict in the past to sow discord:
But at the time of the post, I didn't look into it. Still haven't really, but that's why I didn't comment. The reality is, the far right has been tearing our society to pieces over the past five years, so that's why I'm hard on them. And I'm even harder on politicians that choose to embrace and amplify their destruction because it's pretty clear where all this leads unchecked.
Being Canadian who now lives in the US, this is very accurate. Living in Canada is a lot like living in a hotel suite with a giant one-way mirror looking into a large ballroom. Canadians can see and understand most of what goes on in American society, but Americans see little and understand less of what goes on in Canada.
It leads to a few things:
1) Canadians massively conflate US cultural and social issues as also being 'Canadian' issues. A few examples:
- Whenever there's a notable shooting in the US, most Federal Liberal government's response is to ban a new list of long guns that are almost entirely used for hunting to capitalize on the mood of Canadians reacting to the US shooting. Canada point blank doesn't have a gun problem, but yet we're made to pretend we do whenever something in the US happens. As a Canadian in the US, once you start talking to your neighbors you quickly learn that literally everyone has a cache of guns in their house/car. Whereas in Canada it's exceedingly rare for anyone in an urban setting to have any kind of a gun.
-When I visited YYC at Christmas I noticed the giant graffiti along the bow pathway into downtown that said "Deny, Defend, Depose." As someone who currently has US health insurance and has a grasp on how it's a huge issue here but yet grew up in Alberta, it's absolutely comical that in Calgary there's people picking that up as some sort of relevant rallying cry. The issue Luigi was fighting against doesn't even exist in Canada.
2) Canadians presume that Americans know and follow Canadian issues the same as they follow out of state issues elsewhere in the US. They simply do not. I live in a state that's an hour from the border. Ask most locals and outside of a booze fueled gambling trip to Caesar's in Windsor when they were aged 19-20, they have no idea what lurks across the lake / river let alone be attuned to any news happenings there.
3) On issues of mutual interest, American's have a giant blind spot to any other perspective. Only specialists whose literal job it is to understand Canadian issues in US government would even know the most basic of facts, even when it comes to trade between the two countries. That's why it's probably a good idea to get as much face time as possible to demonstrate the many ways tariffs can backfire on Americans. The US experts know, but the more generalist decision makers need to be educated on it. Any facetime in Mar-A-Largo, Washington, etc. can be constructive to illustrate the facts.
You're a traitor. And even worse, you're a capitalist.
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Can all of the people bringing up the socialism boogeyman list their examples of countries they are aspiring for us to be like that have zero socialist policies by or programs?
Let's not confuse "social programs", even large ones, with "Socialism".
In this case, to avoid wasting time, semantics matter.
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First you must decide how much tax you want to raise, then you decide how you are going to raise it.
Even firster from that, you have to decide how socialist you want your country to look.
Seems easier to decide how you want your country to look, then let people argue about how socialist it is later, be it the Venezuela socialism, or the the 'akshually, the Central Europe and Nordic countries aren't really socialist' socialism.
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Wow. I'm willing to give Carney a shot...but that was brutal. He answered no questions with anything other than political platitudes and deflected the rest.
Thanks but no thanks.
How do you answer a question when you're constantly being attacked and interrupted? Pollieve is so off putting with this kind of behavior. Imagine that garbage dialogue from a PM.
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is that the solution to everything? tax tax tax tax tax tax?
Think harder.
I'm just replying to what you said we'd need to do, you muppet. You lie about my position, I correct it, and you head off for another spin on the horsey carousel. Good stuff.
Let's not confuse "social programs", even large ones, with "Socialism".
In this case, to avoid wasting time, semantics matter.
Ok so where do you draw the line?
It’s difficult to determine how valid anything you’re saying actually is when you’re continually painting everything with a broad brush. Even if where you’ve drawn your line in the sand is arguably arbitrary, stating the specifics is conducive to a more productive discussion.
Decrying socialism so broadly suggests that you’re against it in all forms, meaning you oppose even things like a publicly funded fire department. I don’t think that’s the message you’re trying to get across but at the same time I can’t say I have any real idea what message you’re trying to get across because you’re being way too vague.
I'm just replying to what you said we'd need to do, you muppet. You lie about my position, I correct it, and you head off for another spin on the horsey carousel. Good stuff.
taste of your own meds
make sure your tax plan recognizes the Laffer Curve!
Being Canadian who now lives in the US, this is very accurate. Living in Canada is a lot like living in a hotel suite with a giant one-way mirror looking into a large ballroom. Canadians can see and understand most of what goes on in American society, but Americans see little and understand less of what goes on in Canada.
It leads to a few things:
1) Canadians massively conflate US cultural and social issues as also being 'Canadian' issues. A few examples:
- Whenever there's a notable shooting in the US, most Federal Liberal government's response is to ban a new list of long guns that are almost entirely used for hunting to capitalize on the mood of Canadians reacting to the US shooting. Canada point blank doesn't have a gun problem, but yet we're made to pretend we do whenever something in the US happens. As a Canadian in the US, once you start talking to your neighbors you quickly learn that literally everyone has a cache of guns in their house/car. Whereas in Canada it's exceedingly rare for anyone in an urban setting to have any kind of a gun.
-When I visited YYC at Christmas I noticed the giant graffiti along the bow pathway into downtown that said "Deny, Defend, Depose." As someone who currently has US health insurance and has a grasp on how it's a huge issue here but yet grew up in Alberta, it's absolutely comical that in Calgary there's people picking that up as some sort of relevant rallying cry. The issue Luigi was fighting against doesn't even exist in Canada.
2) Canadians presume that Americans know and follow Canadian issues the same as they follow out of state issues elsewhere in the US. They simply do not. I live in a state that's an hour from the border. Ask most locals and outside of a booze fueled gambling trip to Caesar's in Windsor when they were aged 19-20, they have no idea what lurks across the lake / river let alone be attuned to any news happenings there.
3) On issues of mutual interest, American's have a giant blind spot to any other perspective. Only specialists whose literal job it is to understand Canadian issues in US government would even know the most basic of facts, even when it comes to trade between the two countries. That's why it's probably a good idea to get as much face time as possible to demonstrate the many ways tariffs can backfire on Americans. The US experts know, but the more generalist decision makers need to be educated on it. Any facetime in Mar-A-Largo, Washington, etc. can be constructive to illustrate the facts.
Just gonna call you out on this, as it does happen here, and I've had it happen to me several times. I'm not going to get into the details, but suffice to say, you are incorrect to say we don't suffer some of the same things from insurance companies, and yes, it has absolutely coloured my views of what Luigi did. Because you don't know how distressing it is until it starts happening to you. Consider yourself fortunate.
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I'm just replying to what you said we'd need to do, you muppet. You lie about my position, I correct it, and you head off for another spin on the horsey carousel. Good stuff.
Remember when he claimed he's here on CP to combat misinformation? The dude literally posts misinformation and conveniently gets amnesia when he's called out on it.
