Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[direwolf]

Lol, apparently Evander Kane is at the inauguration. That’s gotta sting for someone like Smith, especially after she went down there and made a fool of herself by bending the knee and kissing the ring. I guess her scumbag credentials weren’t scumbag-ey enough for the Trump camp.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Canada has central socialist polices supported by all parties. Socialism isn't bad, FFS.

Yeah attacking socialism is weird; I think people a) don't actually know what it is, and b) ignorantly confuse it with communism. Some of the happiest nations on earth with routinely the highest quality of life are social democracies or have many embedded elements of it.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I cant understand how Carney is being perceived as a Centrist. He has a plethora of published material and interviews where he discusses what would be considered for certain socialist views and dabbles into Marxism.



Maybe he just decided this week he is a Centrist and had a political re- awakening? Can a Tiger change his stripes that quick?

Carney running for Liberal leadership. Liberal colours? Red.

Marxism/socialism flag colours? Red.

Coincidence???

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Makarov

How did you isolate the effects of NDP policy on Alberta's economy from the effects of broad macroeconomic forces (like the collapse of commodity prices) on Alberta's economy?

At the time, I was in a position that had me stationed in Texas. Now i know no two regions are exactly alike, and differences can have an impact on a one to one comparison, but I think they can get close.

Everyone I knew here was struggling, my peers in Alberta were either out of a job, or cuts were getting dangerously close etc. Down there everything was great. Same comodity prices (oil), different regulations, taxes etc and they were thriving. At the time people were flocking to the area. And i don't mean random people. These were highly skilled, specialized, resource scervice companies, and they were pouring in. Often from Alberta. And it wasn't just in my specific specialized field, money and companies were pouring out of Alberta into places like Texas. If they could do it down there, at current prices, I had to ask myself, what's stopping us at home? A lot of those answers seemed pretty clear. Policy.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by GGG

Marxism?

He a globalist Goldman Sacs Banker that believes in market driven solutions to solve problem. Quit reading the National post articles from Foster without critical thought and read the source material.

It comes directly from one of his books, Values I believe it was. Good job on jumping to false conclusions though.

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” - former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher


I dont disagree that some principles of socialism are good, and that there are areas where society should have strong socialist supports. However, I am fundamentally also opposed to programs like UBI.

[Fuzz]

Oh good, now were parroting dis-proven(see successful socialist European countries) quotes by Thatcher. Great sound bites, got any trickle down you wanna thrown in?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh good, now were parroting dis-proven(see successful socialist European countries) quotes by Thatcher. Great sound bites, got any trickle down you wanna thrown in?

NVM. that's beneath me

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh good, now were parroting dis-proven(see successful socialist European countries) quotes by Thatcher. Great sound bites, got any trickle down you wanna thrown in?

At least recognize that the countries you are probably talking about are still capitalist economies. Very much like Canada except the tax burden is shared almost equally amongst everyone, unlike Canada where it's the wealthy that pay most of the bill.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I cant understand how Carney is being perceived as a Centrist. He has a plethora of published material and interviews where he discusses what would be considered for certain socialist views and dabbles into Marxism.

Like what?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Which is why I ask, what would it take for you to turn your support off for her?

Letting Ontario/Quebec use Alberta as fodder in a trade dispute.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

At least recognize that the countries you are probably talking about are still capitalist economies. Very much like Canada except the tax burden is shared almost equally amongst everyone, unlike Canada where it's the wealthy that pay most of the bill.

So you admit there are successful countries doing what Canada does, except we just need to tax the upper middle class more? Well I think we are in agreement then. More taxes for the wealthy. Done!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not at all a partisan, I'm an anti-partisan. I'm anti dumb #### parties, that's all. Give me a pre-Preston Manning Conservative and I'd probably vote for them if it made sense. I've done it before, I can do it again. Not my fault the right has gone off the deep end, and embraced the worst aspects of RW populism.

Really?

What do you call crap like this?

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He learned from a pro.

As a response to

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

So Trudeau will prorogue government in the next couple days and hold on to power.

That's quite the whataboutism effort for someone claiming to be non-partisan. Bringing up something that a PM did 17 years ago to excuse a recent action (when someone did it in 2020 if you wanted a fresher example) is absolutely being partisan and that has nothing to do with RW populism as you claim.

I can find many many examples of you doing this that goes well beyond being upset with RW populism.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Who was protesting? Was in more fake RW media rabble rousers?

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well they were at Carney's, so it's a reasonable question.

Are those your posts when Chemgear mentioned that Freeland had protestors interrupt her leadership bid? Once it was revealed it was in fact pro-Palestinian protestors (a cause you are a huge advocate of) you suddenly became completely silent and ignored the subject. You can bet if it was "RW media rabble rousers" you would have made several posts condemning it. Passing it as a reasonable question, when you probably searched for it online and got your hopes dashed.

It's totally fine to be completely against social conservatism (I am as well) and being a voice against it and against RW populism, but that doesn't seem to be what you are doing at all.

You've gone off the deep end.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

At least recognize that the countries you are probably talking about are still capitalist economies. Very much like Canada except the tax burden is shared almost equally amongst everyone, unlike Canada where it's the wealthy that pay most of the bill.

I too support the minimum 15% VAT of the EU. Would make our fiscal situation a lot more stable. 7.5% for the feds, minimum 7.5% for the provinces (with the average EU VAT being just above 20%, other provinces would have some wiggle room). Not to mention higher payroll taxes to fund healthcare, social security, and pensions as well. Would really help spread out that tax burden.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t get your argument here.

You agree that Smith should not have been public with her demands and that undermined her position with ROC.

You state that Canadas action did nothing to affect the Tarrifs.

Then you go give credit for smith actions which you say Accomplished nothing and undermined her position in Canada? How does she get credit here.

How is that better than the Joly Trudeau position of. We will work to avoid Tarrifs but if they are implemented we will respond in kind considering all available options.

What did the Feds do here that you believe was incorrect?

Smith was rather calm and quiet about any type of negotiations as she went about fact-finding, including talking with Trump and his people directly. She was probably the person with the most knowledge about the actual US position.

In the meantime, a bunch of moronic unhinged RoC politicians lost their minds and started threatening very inadvisable policy responses. Nobody cares about what is going on in Canada, but they would care if we actually turned the taps off. That's the line that we didn't want to cross, lest we actually garner the attention of the US administration, in a very bad way. Keep the racket to a minimum and just keep the oil flowing.

Now, I wish Smith had used that window of time to negotiate something with the RoC, so that was a lost opportunity. It's not entirely lost now, though. The CPC can now push through pipeline and energy infrastructure projects and regulatory reform in the name of national security and unity without is sounding like they are just doing their friends a favour. At least they should.

The RoC undermined themselves with stupid, rash comments. Smith responded in a reasonable way, and people confuse that with undermining Canada. If the RoC wanted her to remain silent, it would have been a minor compromise and could have gained Alberta something. But it never should have come for free, which is what CentCanada was expecting. And it certainly should have come with the understanding that the policy would never actually be used.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I too support the minimum 15% VAT of the EU. Would make our fiscal situation a lot more stable. 7.5% for the feds, minimum 7.5% for the provinces (with the average EU VAT being just above 20%, other provinces would have some wiggle room). Not to mention higher payroll taxes to fund healthcare, social security, and pensions as well. Would really help spread out that tax burden.

Yes. As long as it comes with a reduction in corporate and/or personal income taxes.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Yes. As long as it comes with a reduction in corporate and/or personal income taxes.

And a massive reduction is government size especially in management positions , consultancy contracts, and pet projects .

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So you admit there are successful countries doing what Canada does, except we just need to tax the upper middle class more? Well I think we are in agreement then. More taxes for the wealthy. Done!

No i did make a comment on "success" of anything, you characterized them as "socialist" countries, which they are not, they are capitalist countries with social programs very much like Canada.

And no i did say anything about more taxes for the wealthy, I said in Canada the wealthy pay most of the bill, in those countries in Europe, the tax burden is more evenly spread out, which means lower income people pay more taxes than they might in Canada.

But we've been through this before and it's in one ear and out the other with you.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I too support the minimum 15% VAT of the EU. Would make our fiscal situation a lot more stable. 7.5% for the feds, minimum 7.5% for the provinces (with the average EU VAT being just above 20%, other provinces would have some wiggle room). Not to mention higher payroll taxes to fund healthcare, social security, and pensions as well. Would really help spread out that tax burden.

We can fund all that with cuts to Trudeau's Financial Imperialism.

Goverment has a spending problem not a revenue problem

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

No i did make a comment on "success" of anything, you characterized them as "socialist" countries, which they are not, they are capitalist countries with social programs very much like Canada.

And no i did say anything about more taxes for the wealthy, I said in Canada the wealthy pay most of the bill, in those countries in Europe, the tax burden is more evenly spread out, which means lower income people pay more taxes than they might in Canada.

But we've been through this before and it's in one ear and out the other with you.

Fuzz's idea of fair share is everyone pays but him! You have to know that by now

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Goverment has a spending problem not a revenue problem

Overall government spending in Canada is basically as low as it has been since the 1960s (when publicly funded healthcare started).