[News] Oilers put Derek Ryan on waivers. Upd: clears

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Has he cleared yet?

Isn't it noon Mountain time now?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by getbak

Isn't it noon Mountain time now?

I believe so.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by getbak

Isn't it noon Mountain time now?

No, it's 11:21

[calumniate]

38 years old, never kissed a girl
*timezone dependant

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by calumniate

38 years old, never kissed a girl
*timezone dependant

Happy Birthday!

[sureLoss]

Cleared per seravalli and Friedman

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd suggest xGA60 for fourth liners that don't generate much, as their splits will always be brutal, which is ok if their xGA50 is low.

Being upper half of the team in xGA60 ... say -2.25 with xGF60 of 1.50 would give you 40%, but you'd be good with it if they were preventing.

But sadly they're not.

And Kirkland didn't help either.

Kevin Rooney is last on the Flame's at 2.70 xGA60, Kirkland was 2nd last, Duehr and Lomberg are 4th and 5th.

Derek Ryan is a tire fire in Edmonton too ... 2.65 ... but in a different system.

I'm not sure he'd be the answer, though his faceoff prowess would be helpful.

Kirkland has been on the ice for 10 even strength goals for, and 4 against.

Rooney is 7 for and 14 against

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So Rooney gets a lot of heat but his numbers are pretty much he same as everyone on that line. I think that they are often used as the second defensive line by Huska. Plug Ryan in and I bet his numbers match.

That said, this is a move by Edmonton not so much because of Ryan, but because they need roster spots. They are full with Klingberg added.

Nope. Despite what Bingo's numbers say, Rooney has been bad. And the line has been bad while he has been centering it. It wasn't bad with Kirkland

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Kirkland has been on the ice for 10 even strength goals for, and 4 against.

Rooney is 7 for and 14 against

That's the result for sure, but given the sample size and the underlying numbers they don't really add up (and for me eye test)

The story was always overcooked when he was healthy.

I'm pretty sure more games what have played that out.

Can't take away the shoot out move from him though!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's the result for sure, but given the sample size and the underlying numbers they don't really add up (and for me eye test)

The story was always overcooked when he was healthy.

I'm pretty sure more games what have played that out.

Can't take away the shoot out move from him though!

I thought he was full marks for his play, personally.

If you're blaming 10-4 over 21 games on luck, well that's a lot of luck.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I thought he was full marks for his play, personally.

If you're blaming 10-4 over 21 games on luck, well that's a lot of luck.

It was!

He played 179.5 minutes. If you look at the entire league for forwards with 175 minutes of ice time he was ranked 1st in on ice save percentage, and first in on ice PDO.

That's the very definition of luck.

He's also first on the Flames for results vs expected.

It's such a good story, but it was an unsustainable heater.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If they were sent down, they wouldn't affect the cap. The team isn't going to avoid improving the roster just because Duehr makes NHL salary while on the Wranglers.

I know they wouldn't affect the cap. I said ‘CASH’. The move would still have cost money at a time when the team can't fill its building.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I know they wouldn't affect the cap. I said ‘CASH’. The move would still have cost money at a time when the team can't fill its building.

And if you think the cost of having Rooney's $1.3M or Duehr's $815k in the AHL would deter them from trying to improve the team, well we disagree. They would have never signed Mantha and Barrie if that were the case.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And if you think the cost of having Rooney's $1.3M or Duehr's $815k in the AHL would deter them from trying to improve the team, well we disagree. They would have never signed Mantha and Barrie if that were the case.

I don't believe Ryan would have improved the team at all. He's a worse player than Rooney at this point, except for faceoffs. Apparently the Flames (and 30 other teams) agreed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I don't believe Ryan would have improved the team at all. He's a worse player than Rooney at this point, except for faceoffs. Apparently the Flames (and 30 other teams) agreed.

That's a different conversation. But you were proposing the cost as a reason they wouldn't be interested.

Anyway, it's moo now.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's a different conversation. But you were proposing the cost as a reason they wouldn't be interested.

It's all the same conversation: cost vs. benefit. A fourth line with Ryan is getting caved just as badly as a fourth line with Rooney. Instead of getting caved when they lose the faceoff, once or twice a game (on average) they will get caved a few seconds later when the play dies on Ryan's stick, or when a zone exit gets blown because he can't keep up with the play.

Ryan has been bad this year.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's a different conversation. But you were proposing the cost as a reason they wouldn't be interested.

Anyway, it's moo now.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Of course he did.

Derek Ryan is no good.

[Macindoc]

E=NG. Quite the fall from grace when you're not even good enough for Edmonton.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Nope. Despite what Bingo's numbers say, Rooney has been bad. And the line has been bad while he has been centering it. It wasn't bad with Kirkland

I’m talking about the individual numbers for Lomberg, Rooney and Duehr. Kirkland’s sample size is much too small, and Kirkland and Rooney were on the same line anyway. Duehr is the Kirkland replacement.