2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by stemit14

They would be crazy to trade Jarvis IMO. Maybe KK + prospect + 1st round pick.

Im not sure Kotka has enough value, and if Carolina is bidding against Schneider from NYR then the price will have to be pretty heavy.

I agree, Jarvis would be steep. Maybe Nikishin?

[Harry Lime]

One thing the Canucks have been pretty steady about is a young blue liner coming back in any trade. I think KK, Scott morrow and a 1st.

Gms can sense blood in the water, now that demko has voiced some concerns as well.

[Macho0978]

Canucks should be all over Nikishin. Canes should go for Miller and pay a ton, 100-point guys and tough. $8 mil is a huge under pay right now for a guy this good

[Harry Lime]

Nikishin would be a steeper price than Jarvis.

Also, NYR has turned down a Schneider trade, so that's not the bar.

[stemit14]

How about this:

To Vancouver:
Nickishin + 1st round pick + KK

To Carolina:
Miller + Hoglander

Who says no?

[Monahammer]

KK+Nikishin+1st still doesnt get the cap down enough, can't see vancouver retaining 50% at that price. Needs like 4 mil more in retention by my reckoning for Carolina to fit it in.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess is it would be something like Kotkaniemi, Chatfield & Nadeau.

KK is the center that Vancouver needs going back and gives them some stability at that position.

Chatfield has become a pretty steady d-man for Carolina and was previously in the Canucks organization.

Nadeau played BCHL in Penticton and think he's somebody the Canucks organization would covet.

Salaries are pretty much a wash with Kotkaniemi+Chatfield = $7.8M and Miller making $8M.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Does Kotkaniemi, Jarvis, and a 1st get it done?

Svech-Aho-Blake
Roslo-Miller-Necas
Martinook-Staal-drury
Jaaska-Suzuki-Robinson

There isn't enough alcohol for Tulsky to do that deal, that's a ridiculous overpayment.

[HighLifeMan]

Some of these proposals are hilarious. Miller isn't returning a good young roster player, a 1st, and a top prospect.


The apparent NY deal was Chytil, Lindgren and a conditional 1st.

[stemit14]

lol. Off topic but Boomer, Rhett and Serevalli are all piling on Pinder about his desire to build the team through the draft and bottoming out by trading Andersson.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Some of these proposals are hilarious. Miller isn't returning a good young roster player, a 1st, and a top prospect.


The apparent NY deal was Chytil, Lindgren and a conditional 1st.

Yeah but without the wild proposals we wouldn’t be able to react to the much more modest price with either “Flames should have/could have beat that, where’s our GM?” or “So much for (insert Flames’ trade chip)’s value”

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by stemit14

lol. Off topic but Boomer, Rhett and Serevalli are all piling on Pinder about his desire to build the team through the draft and bottoming out by trading Andersson.

Arguably it'll take more than trading Andersson to bottom out. This year it seems like teams are truly mailing it in (and truly bad), at the bottom. I'm still all for doing it, because we're too familiar with the lack of results in the murky middle. For them to be piling on his is silly. There's really no other way to acquire a star player from young than tanking.

[TheIronMaiden]

They'd need to trade wolf if they want to touch the bottom five.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Some of these proposals are hilarious. Miller isn't returning a good young roster player, a 1st, and a top prospect.


The apparent NY deal was Chytil, Lindgren and a conditional 1st.

I get he is 31 but he makes $8mil for 6 years in a league that could have huge cap increases in the next couple years. Miller is over a PPG in his time in Vancouver and got 100 last year.

Nikishin and KK for Miller seems fair. Carolina needs to make a splash if they want to win in the playoffs.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Arguably it'll take more than trading Andersson to bottom out. This year it seems like teams are truly mailing it in (and truly bad), at the bottom. I'm still all for doing it, because we're too familiar with the lack of results in the murky middle. For them to be piling on his is silly. There's really no other way to acquire a star player from young than tanking.

The conversation was the same we all have on here. Team is too good to bottom out because of Wolf but the roster does not have the gamebreaking talent that you need to get through the top of the draft. They were accusing Pinder of loving the draft too much as well.

If the direction is to bottom out (starting next year), I think you have to trade at least Andersson + Kadri in the offseason. Those are two big players that the team could not replace immediately and would likely lead to the team dropping into the bottom 10 of the league next year. For better or worse in the long term or short term.

[Toonage]

I think much of that conversation / frustration was based on Boomer (and Rhett) having had this same conversation for about a decade or so. Pinder doesn't have an exit plan. Perpetual rebuild.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Arguably it'll take more than trading Andersson to bottom out. This year it seems like teams are truly mailing it in (and truly bad), at the bottom. I'm still all for doing it, because we're too familiar with the lack of results in the murky middle. For them to be piling on his is silly. There's really no other way to acquire a star player from young than tanking.

Yep, the only thing tanking this season does is makes sure that Montreal gets a better 1st rounder from the Flames.

The asset depreciation for trading Andersson now versus after the season probably isn't worth it. I think you could trade him after the season and still get pretty much the same deal. The difference in what you'd get probably wouldn't justify pulling the rug out from the guys who have been busting their asses all year.

If there was a chance we'd be getting a high 1st rounder, I'd be all for it, but without that, I don't see the point.

[SuperMatt18]

Coming into the season that would have been the plan and we'd all expect the team to look at maybe moving Andersson and bottoming out (aka you're already picking top 10 and want to pick top 5)

But right now they are actually closer to passing Florida and keeping our own first round pick and giving MTL Florida's 1st (.606 vs .567) than they are getting into the Bottom 10 to keep our own pick (.567 vs .500).

.500 really is the threshold for Bottom 10 right now. So for the Flames that would mean getting 31 points in their final 37 games for a .419 point percentage.

Maybe if Wolf gets hurt that would be possible, but moving Andersson right now would probably leave them in no mans land where they miss the playoffs, but also don't finish bottom ten and give Montreal the 11th or 12th OV pick.

And the other problem is the playoff divide is probably big enough that other teams start selling...Pittsburgh, New York, Buffalo, San Jose, Chicago, Nashville, Anaheim, Seattle...those 8 teams are far enough out that they likely are sellers once the 4 Nations break happens and are all playing below a .480.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I think much of that conversation / frustration was based on Boomer (and Rhett) having had this same conversation for about a decade or so. Pinder doesn't have an exit plan. Perpetual rebuild.

To be fair, Pinder has been consistent in what he'd like to see and Rhett's opinion changes weekly.

[Sylvanfan]

If the Flames want to bottom out they need to loan Wolf to a KHL team. Granted that would show the league that the Flames are absolutely pr!cks and mean business when it comes to letting players control the team.