[News] Oilers put Derek Ryan on waivers. Upd: clears

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not a fan of all of the Flames even considering helping out the Oilers especially for a 38 year old center that's not going to move the needle.

How does it help the Oilers?

[Ryan Coke]

Seems like they want to create cap flexibility, and then still have access to the player should they need him. Maybe I’m wrong and they just want to get rid of him, but a veteran RHS center that is good on draws seems like a nice deadline depth acquisition for many playoff teams.

[kyuss275]

Can’t say I want flames to pick him up.it does show how bad Rooney is when flames should consider picking up a slow 38 year old 4th line center. Ryan is a lot better in the face of dot than Rooney . It also shows how bad our center depth is when you have to consider picking up Ryan. I know this won’t be popular but I wouldn’t mind flames spending a late round pick on a 4th line center that could be with team for a couple years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

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Yet the Oilers are 75.2% on the PK. Is Ryan enough better to be worth adding his salary?

It's clear the Oilers' PK was much better last season, and true, Ryan was on it. Either Ryan has fallen off in the past year, or he wasn't the straw stirring that particular drink, or a combination of both.



Rooney and Duehr are both on one-way contracts. They earn their full salary no matter where they play. The cash being spent is adding Ryan's contract.

If they were sent down, they wouldn't affect the cap. The team isn't going to avoid improving the roster just because Duehr makes NHL salary while on the Wranglers.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How does it help the Oilers?

Yeah if anything the Oilers prefer to keep him for depth purposes in case of injuries.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Faceoffs and penalty kill, two things we are bad at. Worth a claim. If it doesn’t work out, waive again and send to the Wranglers.

Ugh.

[Knut]

Pick him up. Oilers vs Flames in round 1. Derek Ryan scores game and series winner in Game 6.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Is Ryan old and slow? Sure! Is he a free upgrade on Rooney? Absolutely.

IMO the 4th line has been hurting the team ever since Kirkland went down.
Lomberg - Rooney - Duehr has an xG% of 32.6%, CF% of 35.2%, and are a -5 in 70mins.
We need a better 4th line, and Rooney is the obvious choice for an upgrade.
Lomberg - Rooney - Pelletier had a 0%xG against WPG, with an xGF of 0 and xGA of 0.51.

I'd suggest xGA60 for fourth liners that don't generate much, as their splits will always be brutal, which is ok if their xGA50 is low.

Being upper half of the team in xGA60 ... say -2.25 with xGF60 of 1.50 would give you 40%, but you'd be good with it if they were preventing.

But sadly they're not.

And Kirkland didn't help either.

Kevin Rooney is last on the Flame's at 2.70 xGA60, Kirkland was 2nd last, Duehr and Lomberg are 4th and 5th.

Derek Ryan is a tire fire in Edmonton too ... 2.65 ... but in a different system.

I'm not sure he'd be the answer, though his faceoff prowess would be helpful.

[calumniate]

This would cover us for a bit of derpth!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd suggest xGA60 for fourth liners that don't generate much, as their splits will always be brutal, which is ok if their xGA50 is low.

Being upper half of the team in xGA60 ... say -2.25 with xGF60 of 1.50 would give you 40%, but you'd be good with it if they were preventing.

But sadly they're not.

And Kirkland didn't help either.

Kevin Rooney is last on the Flame's at 2.70 xGA60, Kirkland was 2nd last, Duehr and Lomberg are 4th and 5th.

Derek Ryan is a tire fire in Edmonton too ... 2.65 ... but in a different system.

I'm not sure he'd be the answer, though his faceoff prowess would be helpful.

So Rooney gets a lot of heat but his numbers are pretty much he same as everyone on that line. I think that they are often used as the second defensive line by Huska. Plug Ryan in and I bet his numbers match.

That said, this is a move by Edmonton not so much because of Ryan, but because they need roster spots. They are full with Klingberg added.

[Eric Vail]

The Flames don't need to be adding any 38 year old players.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If they were sent down, they wouldn't affect the cap. The team isn't going to avoid improving the roster just because Duehr makes NHL salary while on the Wranglers.

So are we sending down Duehr, a much better player than Ryan to make room? You can send Rooney down but it is still just shuffling deck chairs. He might be good at faceoffs but his skating had regressed badly, at least Rooney can keep up with the play.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I guess how much you want Ryan is probably fairly correlated with how you are viewing this season - people who think the team is going to sink will not want Ryan on the ship. If people think that the Flames have a shot at the playoffs, then they probably want Ryan.


Aside from face-offs, I think Ryan is probably a downgrade on Rooney at this point, and I think Rooney has been having an awful season. Slower, weaker, smaller.. Yes, Face-offs are very important, but that's all Ryan will be giving.


I would rather swing back on Pospisil to the C on the 4th line, and run with that for the rest of the season. See how he acclimates. Zary sounds like he will be back this season - push Kerins to the 4th line and let him work on his speed, defensive acumen and face-off abilities there. Heck, I would rather the Flames recall Hunt or Bishop and give them a reward for being outstanding vets down on the Wranglers - will make it easier to re-sign good vets like these in the future.



Really hope that Calgary doesn't claim Ryan.

[Coach]

I hope he gets picked up by a good team that utilizes him as a strong PK/defensive centre and he ends up playing a big part in their successful season. And we can all point and laugh once again.

[flambers]

Only thing this would address is the missing right handed center,

I could definitely see the Flames place a claim

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I guess how much you want Ryan is probably fairly correlated with how you are viewing this season - people who think the team is going to sink will not want Ryan on the ship. If people think that the Flames have a shot at the playoffs, then they probably want Ryan.


Aside from face-offs, I think Ryan is probably a downgrade on Rooney at this point, and I think Rooney has been having an awful season. Slower, weaker, smaller.. Yes, Face-offs are very important, but that's all Ryan will be giving.


I would rather swing back on Pospisil to the C on the 4th line, and run with that for the rest of the season. See how he acclimates. Zary sounds like he will be back this season - push Kerins to the 4th line and let him work on his speed, defensive acumen and face-off abilities there. Heck, I would rather the Flames recall Hunt or Bishop and give them a reward for being outstanding vets down on the Wranglers - will make it easier to re-sign good vets like these in the future.



Really hope that Calgary doesn't claim Ryan.

Aside from the fact he'd see it as a demotion, Pospisil would make a good 4th line centre, depending on his FO ability improving. And he really hasn't been doing much on the Kadri line lately.

They can also move Pelletier back to the middle on the 4th line, especially when Zary returns.

[Bourque's Twin]

No thanks to Derek Ryan. We need more call ups like Kerins or if we have to get a veteran, I'd prefer it's someone who adds some size and toughness. It sure would be nice to have Mantha in this lineup.

[Knut]

What i do know is that if we claim him some posters will get irrationally mad about it.

[dissentowner]

Has he cleared yet?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Has he cleared yet?

Probably.