[PGT] Flames 3 - Jets 1 AWOOOOOOOOOO

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Wolf is going to drag this team to round 2 or 3 of the playoffs this year then next season VGK is going to have a big dropoff and win the Lottery with the Flames holding their first overall pick. You heard it here first. About time the Flames get some good luck

Round 2 or 3?
I said earlier, karma is at work this season.
It’ll be a Columbus/Calgary final

[Locke]

Good God....Wolf's save percentage last night was 0.974...

[Canada 02]

Currently, Florida's pick is #22. Flames pick is #19
(Jersey is #21)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

I never realized how down they are on Comrie, realistically that was a goalie duel and, while Comrie lost, he lost to two perfect Elite post-and-in snipes. Nobody was saving those.

My favourite one though?



This guy gets it!! Haha!!

I guarantee that if Vladar let those two goals in he gets roasted here by some posters. It’s funny that Comrie seems to have the same run support issue as Vladar though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guarantee that if Vladar let those two goals in he gets roasted here by some posters. It’s funny that Comrie seems to have the same run support issue as Vladar though.

I cant comment on that because I just dont watch Jets games.

But...we're all happy about that win, and I think deservedly so, but that win was a Unicorn.

Wolf shut the door and Coronato and Kuzmenko sniped a couple worldies.

Some fans need to recognize that thats not the way its going to always go.

Take the W. Have the fun. But we need to not get carried away. If not for Mercury being in retrograde and all of the stars aligning or whatever we pretty much had no business winning that game.

So we take the one-off and move along and Huska goes to the boys and tells them all that they owe Wolf and dont it let happen again.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Locke

I cant comment on that because I just dont watch Jets games.

But...we're all happy about that win, and I think deservedly so, but that win was a Unicorn.

Wolf shut the door and Coronato and Kuzmenko sniped a couple worldies.

Some fans need to recognize that thats not the way its going to always go.

Take the W. Have the fun. But we need to not get carried away. If not for Mercury being in retrograde and all of the stars aligning or whatever we pretty much had no business winning that game.

So we take the one-off and move along and Huska goes to the boys and tells them all that they owe Wolf and dont it let happen again.

Careful, some people on here are very touchy about this subject like Dino.

They're trying to stick it to people who want to tank, simply because we have a goalie playing at an elite level this year. Obviously its great that we found Wolf, but you still need some elite players outside of goalie to be a contender.

It's great and all that we stole a game we had no business winning again. But the most likely outcome is we are finishing 9th in the west instead of 14th with Vladar.

Imagine the Sharks found a Wolf before past years draft. Do they think the rebuild is done at that point? No, you still want to draft a Celebrini!

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Who says we need top picks to get elite players? Dustin Wolf was selected in the 7th round with nearly the last possible pick.

Flames have done just fine making picks outside of the top ten and the first round. While it would be nice to have a franchise center right now too, I suspect the Flames will find a way to piece together a pretty great team with their drafting prowess. It's also a hard cap league, and some star players will become available to supplement that drafting. Trades happen too. There isn't one way to build a team.

This has been my thought. In the threads people always look if a team has a top five pick rather then looking at the cup winning team as a whole to see where the impact came from. TB cup teams were driven by players not picked in or at the top of the draft. Although if you did a redraft or look in hindsight, Kucherov is a 1st overall in his draft.

Yes getting an elite player in the very top may be easier, but there are other ways. As someone mentioned almost half of the top 20 centers were drafted outside the top 10. Having a good prospect base and multiple high picks in the next few drafts, I don't think drafting super high is a must. It makes things easier, but the team not circling the drain is a testament to younger players making a difference.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful, some people on here are very touchy about this subject like Dino.

They're trying to stick it to people who want to tank……….!

100% correct!!!!
The path to guaranteed success is to teach the kids currently in the system to lose 50 to 55 games a year for 5 or 6 years, win the lottery a few times and then we will be perpetual Stanley Cup contenders with sellouts every night
It’s simple really

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful, some people on here are very touchy about this subject like Dino.

They're trying to stick it to people who want to tank, simply because we have a goalie playing at an elite level this year. Obviously its great that we found Wolf, but you still need some elite players outside of goalie to be a contender.

It's great and all that we stole a game we had no business winning again. But the most likely outcome is we are finishing 9th in the west instead of 14th with Vladar.

Imagine the Sharks found a Wolf before past years draft. Do they think the rebuild is done at that point? No, you still want to draft a Celebrini!

So you think they should just sit Wolf most games or send him back to the AHL?

[Royle9]

It’s almost impossible for Goalies to win the Calder, historically only happening a handful of times… but how Wolf isn’t a lock for #1 at this point and if he manages to drag this team into the playoffs I might actually be upset.

He’s pretty much single handily put this team in a position to win every night and in general. His stats are amongst the best league wide, and he’s not just getting protected starts anymore.

Scoronato and the Wolf have been absolute gems this year, I’d add Zary to that list as well.

[transplant99]

I will take finding an NHL starting G this season over worrying about whether the team finishes 9th worst or 18th worst.

Only losers cheer for losses.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Royle9

It’s almost impossible for Goalies to win the Calder, historically only happening a handful of times… but how Wolf isn’t a lock for #1 at this point and if he manages to drag this team into the playoffs I might actually be upset.

He’s pretty much single handily put this team in a position to win every night and in general. His stats are amongst the best league wide, and he’s not just getting protected starts anymore.

Scoronato and the Wolf have been absolute gems this year, I’d add Zary to that list as well.

He has been way more than anyone should have expected, but he only plays half the games compared to the other guys in the Calder talk. That has to be taken into account.

He is on pace to start 46 games. Hutson on pace to play 82. Celebrini 62. Michov 79.

If Wolf continues all year doing what he has done thus far, he will get a lot of run for the trophy, the league has taken notice. But there are other guys (much younger as well) who are doing pretty incredible things too and do them more often which will give them heavy consideration as well.

Im just happy the Flames have found a guy that looks to be a long term solution to a longer term problem.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has been way more than anyone should have expected, but he only plays half the games compared to the other guys in the Calder talk. That has to be taken into account.

He is on pace to start 46 games. Hutson on pace to play 82. Celebrini 62. Michov 79.

If Wolf continues all year doing what he has done thus far, he will get a lot of run for the trophy, the league has taken notice. But there are other guys (much younger as well) who are doing pretty incredible things too and do them more often which will give them heavy consideration as well.

Im just happy the Flames have found a guy that looks to be a long term solution to a longer term problem.

46 for a goalie is about the same as 62 for a skater….about three quarters of the games expected for the position.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has been way more than anyone should have expected, but he only plays half the games compared to the other guys in the Calder talk. That has to be taken into account.

He is on pace to start 46 games. Hutson on pace to play 82. Celebrini 62. Michov 79.

If Wolf continues all year doing what he has done thus far, he will get a lot of run for the trophy, the league has taken notice. But there are other guys (much younger as well) who are doing pretty incredible things too and do them more often which will give them heavy consideration as well.

Im just happy the Flames have found a guy that looks to be a long term solution to a longer term problem.

Counter argument is that he actually plays more minutes.

Wolf: 1509
Celebrini: 705
Hutson: 1015

Now if a rookie goalie only plays 30 games or something then I can see that being an argument against him.

But if he gets to 50 games then that shouldn't be a strike. Thats pretty much "starter" volume on most teams nowadays

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

I cant comment on that because I just dont watch Jets games.

But...we're all happy about that win, and I think deservedly so, but that win was a Unicorn.

Wolf shut the door and Coronato and Kuzmenko sniped a couple worldies.

Some fans need to recognize that thats not the way its going to always go.

Take the W. Have the fun. But we need to not get carried away. If not for Mercury being in retrograde and all of the stars aligning or whatever we pretty much had no business winning that game.

So we take the one-off and move along and Huska goes to the boys and tells them all that they owe Wolf and dont it let happen again.

They showed the run support between Hellebuyck and Comrie last night.

I don’t know what the rest of your post has to do with mine.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I will take finding an NHL starting G this season over worrying about whether the team finishes 9th worst or 18th worst.

Only losers cheer for losses.

It's also an essential block for building a team...from the net out. You look at teams that have struggled to turn the corner in their rebuild, and it's often because they don't have a reliable #1 goalie. That can help to support a team through all sorts of growing pains as they learn how to win.

I think you find top players wherever you can and build around them. We have a goalie, and I think we also have some guys like Cooley or maybe Sergeev in a year or two that can be a back up, but you can also find those guys readily on the FA market.

I think we have quite a few defensive prospects that will make the corps for a while (Parekh, Brusztewicz, Mews, Morin; defensive d-man like Grushnikov, Solovyov, Kuznetsov, Jurmo, Hurtig etc.). There's no shortage of guys with potential in the system, and you only need 6 of them to be good (5 if you include Weegar in the long term plans, 4 if you re-sign Andersson).

I think our wings are well stocked as well: Coronato, Gridin, Basha, Battaglia, Suniev, Kerins, Honzek (if he ever figures things out, but he looked good in preseason). A lot of those guys are 2nd line or worse, no sure fire top line guys just yet.

I think we have centers that are likely middle 6 and lower: Zary, Misa, Stromgren, Morton, Lipinski. Again, no surefire top line guys, but I think Zary will be our 2nd line center and 1 or 2 of those other guys has potential to be an NHLer, but maybe 3rd line at best. We still need to draft more centers.

Here's the thing, if only 30% of those guys even make the NHL, it's okay because we have a ton of draft picks coming up. If we don't like the draft position we have, we can use that draft capital to trade for a young and upcoming center (provided there's a trading partner). The point is there's a lot of options to build a good team, and you just have to see how things play out and then adjust the plan along the way. They have a plan, building from the net out. They need a couple top line forwards in the draft ranks, but some of these guys may yet develop into that.

But to me, having an elite #1 goalie is the lynchpin of a good team. You have that sorted, you're in the conversation. Without it? Good luck building a competitive playoff team.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They showed the run support between Hellebuyck and Comrie last night.

I don’t know what the rest of your post has to do with mine.

I'm agreeing with you. Really, the Jets have more firepower than the Flames do, why they dont show up for Comrie, I cant speculate.

The Flames? They are opportunists. Wolf stood firm and gave them the chance to take opportunities.

Why that doesnt happen with Vladar, I dont know.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has been way more than anyone should have expected, but he only plays half the games compared to the other guys in the Calder talk. That has to be taken into account.

He is on pace to start 46 games. Hutson on pace to play 82. Celebrini 62. Michov 79.

If Wolf continues all year doing what he has done thus far, he will get a lot of run for the trophy, the league has taken notice. But there are other guys (much younger as well) who are doing pretty incredible things too and do them more often which will give them heavy consideration as well.

Im just happy the Flames have found a guy that looks to be a long term solution to a longer term problem.

Yes, aggregately, he is on pace for 46 games. But that ignores what's actually been happening this season. The Flames were protecting him for a while, and on Dec 14th, they decided it was time to run with him.

Up to Dec 13: 14 of 30 games, 38 game pace
Since Dec 14: 11 of 15 games, 60 game pace.

If he continues at the recent pace, he will finish the season with 52 games. And if they remain in the playoff race, I bet he ends up higher than that.

If he plays north of 50 games, and the Flames make the playoffs, or even remain in the race the rest of the way, I think that would be enough games to keep him legitimately in the discussion.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by edslunch

46 for a goalie is about the same as 62 for a skater….about three quarters of the games expected for the position.

Actually if you go 46 games at 61 minutes (accounting for some OT), you get 2806 minutes.

2806 / 82 is 34 minutes a night for a full season!

He plays way more!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Counter argument is that he actually plays more minutes.

Wolf: 1509
Celebrini: 705
Hutson: 1015

Now if a rookie goalie only plays 30 games or something then I can see that being an argument against him.

But if he gets to 50 games then that shouldn't be a strike. Thats pretty much "starter" volume on most teams nowadays

No it isnt.

If he was skating and moving his legs that whole time, then sure.

But that is not a comparable.

Its just a disadvantage to winning a trophy against skaters that is baked into the position. You dont play as much....you dont get seen as much.

Whether it be the Calder or Hart....G's have a higher bar to clear.

Not arguing he isnt worthy of it, but pointing out historically how it goes and moreso why.