Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Look at me. I'm an American now.

God damn so many traitors on CP lately. Where were you all hiding before?

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to do what they feel benefits them and their family the most. With the state of things here, agree or disagree with the thought process, I'm sure you would agree it's not a stretch to see how someone could come to the conclusion that it might be best to have an economic union or even move to the US. What I don't understand is why this has to equate to treachery.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is your solution to do nothing, let the US do whatever it wants without any recourse, and just wait until negotiations are complete which, as we’ve seen, can take years?

Because that’s Smith’s solution. And it sounds really stupid.

There's are things that we can do right now.

Call an immediate election.

Approve tidewater oil access corridors and initiate discussions with China and the EU over energy supply agreements.

Back channel to the Americans that we are prepared to open some of our markets to them. Dairy in particular.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Andy83

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to do what they feel benefits them and their family the most. With the state of things here, agree or disagree with the thought process, I'm sure you would agree it's not a stretch to see how someone could come to the conclusion that it might be best to have an economic union or even move to the US. What I don't understand is why this has to equate to treachery.

The traitor commets, the "just move to the US" comments, the anti Smith comments are all just people sounding like jilted lovers

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

There's are things that we can do right now.

Call an immediate election.

Approve tidewater oil access corridors and initiate discussions with China and the EU over energy supply agreements.

Back channel to the Americans that we are prepared to open some of our markets to them. Dairy in particular.

And yet the negotiations will still take months if not years.

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The traitor commets, the "just move to the US" comments, the anti Smith comments are all just people sounding like jilted lovers

Says the guy who was advocating Alberta play by the same rules 5 year olds play by.

There’s nothing jilted about suggesting people who want to live in the US should move to the US. It’s a great idea, great place to live, and honestly kind of pathetic that people are so lazy and entitled they think an entire country should just adapt to them.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is your solution to do nothing, let the US do whatever it wants without any recourse, and just wait until negotiations are complete which, as we’ve seen, can take years?

Because that’s Smith’s solution. And it sounds really stupid.

I don't think that is her plan at all. I think thats a foolish, lazy, and honestly disingenuous viewpoint. I think any objective viewer could easily come to this conclusion if they actually took the time to look. Its certainly not what I'm suggesting either.

I believe her plan is to strengthen our relationship, and not start a trade war over the "turn off the taps" rhetoric. Especially considering it's not a path we can reasonably go down.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Andy83

I don't think that is her plan at all. I think thats a foolish, lazy, and honestly disingenuous viewpoint. I think any objective viewer could easily come to this conclusion if they actually took the time to look. Its certainly not what I'm suggesting either.

I believe her plan is to strengthen our relationship, and not start a trade war over the "turn off the taps" rhetoric. Especially considering it's not a path we can reasonably go down.

Strengthen the relationship by… not doing anything in the event they add tariffs, so Trump has literally no external reason not to add them.

It’s genius, really. You’d be foolish not to think so!

[peterh]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And everyone will clap.

Look at Canada, we have terrible leadership, can’t compete on the global market, have less trade between provinces than we do with our largest neighbor, no national identity (except Quebec) and our second largest province wants to leave the dominion, the experiment is failing, time to give in to the Manifest Destiny.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Andy83

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to do what they feel benefits them and their family the most.

This comment is worth highlighting. It strikes at a cleavage between how government and wellbeing, at least in my opinion, is perceived by voters. Personally, I wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiment. I have a young family; I have never cast a vote thinking purely about how "Party X"'s policies might benefit me personally. I vote according to my values; I want a strong, inclusive Canada which provides the best opportunity to all of its citizens. My justification for this includes that such a country will also, inevitably, benefit me and my family as well.

Myopically voting for one's personal interests, which is what (undoubtedly) many Canadians do (and is their right), is something I find curious at best and pernicious at worst.

I guess the goal with my post is to point out, at a minimum, that your statement that "everyone does what benefits them" is almost certainly wrong, and at the very least, short-sighted.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by peterh

Look at Canada, we have terrible leadership, can’t compete on the global market, have less trade between provinces than we do with our largest neighbor, no national identity (except Quebec) and our second largest province wants to leave the dominion, the experiment is failing, time to give in to the Manifest Destiny.

Better get a head start then unless you want to be stuck in a territory without voting rights.

Chop chop.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by peterh

Look at Canada, we have terrible leadership, can’t compete on the global market, have less trade between provinces than we do with our largest neighbor, no national identity (except Quebec) and our second largest province wants to leave the dominion, the experiment is failing, time to give in to the Manifest Destiny.

You know you're spoiled by living in one of the best countries on the planet when you say stuff like this.

And you're also reading some messed up stuff online.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You never stood a chance to fix climate change.

Too many billions of people in the world see cheap high carbon energy sources as necessary for their existence.

I never stood a chance is a very odd way to phrase it. Do you live on a different planet? You get to be impacted by the consequnces

I think technology eventually gets us there but in the long run do to bad policy it will be slower and more costly as we mitigate climate damage rather than prevented it. We have already been moderately successful fighting climate change taking the worst case scenarios of the table. Electric cars even without subsidies will continue to make inroads as oil prices rise. Hopefully SMRs can take on Gas, that’s at least a decade away probably 2 but it’s possible.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Strengthen the relationship by… not doing anything in the event they add tariffs, so Trump has literally no external reason not to add them.

It’s genius, really. You’d be foolish not to think so!

Christ, you really do need a picture painted for you.

Smith has not made any comments, that i am aware of, suggesting retaliation is not in the cards (in her eyes). What she has said is retaliation using energy as a bargaining chip should not be. What she has said is the US is our most important trading partner and cutting off our nose to spite our face, is probably the most idiotic strategy we could possibly dream up.

Agree with him or not, you really think Trump is going to respond favorably to a threat he damn well knows we don't have the capacity to execute? You don't think a guy like that just calls the bluff?

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by evman150

This comment is worth highlighting. It strikes at a cleavage between how government and wellbeing, at least in my opinion, is perceived by voters. Personally, I wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiment. I have a young family; I have never cast a vote thinking purely about how "Party X"'s policies might benefit me personally. I vote according to my values; I want a strong, inclusive Canada which provides the best opportunity to all of its citizens. My justification for this includes that such a country will also, inevitably, benefit me and my family as well.

Myopically voting for one's personal interests, which is what (undoubtedly) many Canadians do (and is their right), is something I find curious at best and pernicious at worst.

I guess the goal with my post is to point out, at a minimum, that your statement that "everyone does what benefits them" is almost certainly wrong, and at the very least, short-sighted.

Context is key.

In your scenario, voting, I get your point. There has to be a ballance there. The greater good needs to have weight. But I believe personal liberty, ability to provide for yourself and family etc. in the real world will, and should never take a back seat. As you say, if I reasonably believe that favorable conditions for my own survival will exist, they should for others as well.

In the context of just moving to the US if it serves your, or anyone else's interest, i don't believe there is anything treacherous, somehow less noble, wrong or short-sighted about that at all.

[Ashasx]

Conservative Lead Narrows to 11 Points

The Liberal Party has seen a remarkable turnaround in its fortunes in recent weeks. Following Chrystia Freeland’s resignation a month ago, the Conservative lead had reached an all-time high of 25 points. In our latest polling, however, that advantage has narrowed to just 11 points, with the Conservatives leading 39 points to 28. At 17 points, the NDP is in third place, and their declared intention to bring down the government does not appear to have produced any benefits.

Unsurprisingly, the Conservatives are having a terrible week.

Carney announcing his intention to run for leadership and Daniel Smith giving other parties all the ammunition they could ask for - it's hard not to see this trend continuing.

It would be truly unbelievable if the Conservatives could lose not just a majority government, but potentially the entire election itself, in just two months.

[GGG]

The regional breakdown is even more crazy

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.p...-to-11-points/

It has them leading by a point (statistical tie) in Ontario. It’s just one poll and is in the middle of Carney fever but things look very interesting.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by peterh

I don't quite understand why Canadians are so adamant on staying poor:

https://imgur.com/a/FAdgBUf

A trade war with America will just result in further poverty for Canadians.

Plus why is everyone so against exploring a potential union with the greatest nation on the planet?

Whatever, as our currency collapses, the brain drain will continue. If it gets worse in Canada, I will gladly accept that L-1A visa transfer offer from my employer...

Because they just elected Donald ####ing Trump, for a second time? Because they are cheering on the deaths of pregnant women who can't get medical care for fear of doctors being charged with murder? Because they've normalized children getting gunned down in schools? I could go on, but come the #### on man. Pull yourself together.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It would be truly unbelievable if the Conservatives could lose not just a majority government, but potentially the entire election itself, in just two months.

Lots of time to go, the Cons should still win, probably still in a landslide. But who knows. PP is extremely smug and arrogant, that turns a lot of voters off. And imo there are a lot of voters in this country like me - politically homeless. Just looking for any decent candidate to emerge.

I still can't see Freeland winning or even coming close, way too much JT stink. If Carney can gain some traction who knows. Still easily the Cons election to lose.

[Manhattanboy]

The piling on Smith for not wanting to play for Team Canada is quite hilarious.

You can talk about Team Canada when all interprovincial trade barriers are eliminated.

And where was Team Canada when TMX had to incur tens of millions of dollars if not more fighting numerous lawsuits including against the Government of British Columbia until the Supreme Court finally determined that it grossly exceeded its jurisdiction on the pipeline.

But when the interests of Quebec and Ontario are seriously at risk Alberta is expected to fall in line and be a team player. Trudeau is such a disgraceful joke I can’t wait until we never have to see his smug face again.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The piling on Smith for not wanting to play for Team Canada is quite hilarious.

You can talk about Team Canada when all interprovincial trade barriers are eliminated.

And where was Team Canada when TMX had to incur tens of millions of dollars if not more fighting numerous lawsuits including against the Government of British Columbia until the Supreme Court finally determined that it grossly exceeded its jurisdiction on the pipeline.

But when the interests of Quebec and Ontario are seriously at risk Alberta is expected to fall in line and be a team player. Trudeau is such a disgraceful joke I can’t wait until we never have to see his smug face again.

Canada doesn't have a Trudeau problem, it has an electorate problem.

Trudeau is actually an accurate incarnation of the Canadian populace.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Andy83

I agree, it would be greatly helpful. But, for the reasons stated in my post, maybe Smith is right, and the Jagmeet's, and Joly's are wrong. Why wont they unite with Smith? That knife cuts both ways.

No, Smith isn’t right. If you listened to her on QR for years you would understand that she is a lemming. She acts tough and wants to pick fights with Ottawa when she jumps on the trucker convoy, but doesn’t have the guts to be patriot when there is a real external threat. See here is the thing. Smith is stupid enough to think that she and Alberta are special and Trump will love us if we all just bend the knee. No, Trump only dies from within. Many of you talk about how they have alternatives. No, they really don’t. Rural America is fickle, especially about their precious gas prices.