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Old 01-17-2025, 04:42 PM   #7301
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Ok. If no Andersson trade this season, then let’s go with something like this:

TRADE #1:

To Colorado: Kadri (20% retained)
To Calgary: Middlestat + Conditional 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st if Colorado makes it past the 1st round)

TRADE #2:

To Dallas: Coleman
To Calgary: 2nd round pick

Who says no?
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Old 01-17-2025, 04:52 PM   #7302
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Ok. If no Andersson trade this season, then let’s go with something like this:

TRADE #1:

To Colorado: Kadri (20% retained)
To Calgary: Middlestat + Conditional 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st if Colorado makes it past the 1st round)

TRADE #2:

To Dallas: Coleman
To Calgary: 2nd round pick

Who says no?
Mittlestadt and a potential 1st on an aging Kadri? Good luck.
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Old 01-17-2025, 05:07 PM   #7303
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Ok. If no Andersson trade this season, then let’s go with something like this:

TRADE #1:

To Colorado: Kadri (20% retained)
To Calgary: Middlestat + Conditional 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st if Colorado makes it past the 1st round)

TRADE #2:

To Dallas: Coleman
To Calgary: 2nd round pick

Who says no?
Even with retention, Mittelstadt is worth more than Kadri on his own.. the pick would most definitely be going the other way.

One player is 34 and the other is 26, the age difference is a major major factor here.
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Old 01-17-2025, 05:08 PM   #7304
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Ekblad is a FA you can sign to a 2-3 year stop gap deal

Ekblad is going to be a free agent at 29 and is right-handed. Someone is going to offer him a ton of money on a 7-year deal. Why would he settled for 2-3?
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Even with retention, Mittelstadt is worth more than Kadri on his own.. the pick would most definitely be going the other way.

One player is 34 and the other is 26, the age difference is a major major factor here.
Middlestadt might put up similar points to Kadri but Kadri brings a lot more to the table and the Avs know it.

Mittlestadt can’t out up big numbers on the Avs, even with sheltered minutes. I’m not sure he’s any better than Zary at this point. Points aren’t everything.

I think Avs do Kadri for Mittlestadt straight up. It might look like a win for the Flames cause they get the younger player but Kadri will help the Avs win way more than Mittlestadt would. Mittlestadt would just be “mid” on a typical “mid” Flames team.

I think the two biggest prizes out there for playoff contenders are Miller and Kadri. The price will be different, Kadri will cost way less but the impacts won’t be far off.
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Stop. Just stop. This is absolute lunacy.
Stop what? Nearly every year, some team (usually just entering its contention window) gets bounced unceremoniously by a seriously inferior opponent in the first round. Many times, the team getting bounced was the Flames. A couple of times, it was the Flames doing the bouncing. It is not ‘absolute lunacy’ to say that it might happen again.

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We don't have the elite players needed to win playoff rounds. We are not upsetting anyone in playoffs. This team is devoid of talent and we need to keep drafting well.
If the team has been drafting well, how can it be devoid of talent?

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That's what people were saying about Montreal in 2021. They barely made the playoffs at all in a weak division with a screwy schedule. Yet there they were in the SCF.

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If Vegas wins the Pacific Division you won't have to worry about that.
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Old 01-17-2025, 05:53 PM   #7307
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Stop what? Nearly every year, some team (usually just entering its contention window) gets bounced unceremoniously by a seriously inferior opponent in the first round. Many times, the team getting bounced was the Flames. A couple of times, it was the Flames doing the bouncing. It is not ‘absolute lunacy’ to say that it might happen again.
Yeah, that's what happened in 2015, after all. Flames bounced the paper tiger in round one, then got stomped by Anaheim in round two.
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Old 01-17-2025, 06:00 PM   #7308
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Ekblad is a FA you can sign to a 2-3 year stop gap deal
Dude, Ekblad is 28. Why on earth would he sign a 2-3 year deal? That’s absurd.

And would he sign it in Calgary? Especially where the Flames are in their contention cycle.
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Even with retention, Mittelstadt is worth more than Kadri on his own.. the pick would most definitely be going the other way.

One player is 34 and the other is 26, the age difference is a major major factor here.
Middelstadt tops out at what a 50 point center who ain’t much defensively? Suspect the Avs want to get out from that trade they made with Buffalo. Not sure Kadri is the guy to get them out from it but Middelstadt is not much of a hockey player. His career high in goals in 18 for Christ sake and he makes 5.75 million a year.
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Dude, Ekblad is 28. Why on earth would he sign a 2-3 year deal? That’s absurd.

And would he sign it in Calgary? Especially where the Flames are in their contention cycle.
Do a little research he’s going to 29 in 2 weeks and hasn’t played a full season since 18/19.

He’s good friends with Weegar and Huberdeau.

Stop hunting for likes from people like Burning Beard.
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Old 01-17-2025, 06:15 PM   #7311
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The only way that could happen is if Edmonton won the division, let alone the conference. I think Ronald Reagan was in office when that happened last time.
Edmonton is tied with Vegas for 1st in the Pacific and 4 points back from Winnipeg with a game in hand.

We've beat them once this year 4-1, then lost 4-2 with a late PP goal against and an EN. If the Flames are set to squeak into a WC spot, playing Edmonton is far and away my number 1 choice.
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There is a reason why serevelli suggested Ritchie and middelstadt for kadri. Middelstadt is a better winger than center, and that makes him overpaid for what he brings. The avs don't have a center who is better to step into that spot.

Colorado is fully aware that they are in their window.
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Old 01-17-2025, 06:16 PM   #7313
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Middlestadt might put up similar points to Kadri but Kadri brings a lot more to the table and the Avs know it.

Mittlestadt can’t out up big numbers on the Avs, even with sheltered minutes. I’m not sure he’s any better than Zary at this point. Points aren’t everything.

I think Avs do Kadri for Mittlestadt straight up. It might look like a win for the Flames cause they get the younger player but Kadri will help the Avs win way more than Mittlestadt would. Mittlestadt would just be “mid” on a typical “mid” Flames team.

I think the two biggest prizes out there for playoff contenders are Miller and Kadri. The price will be different, Kadri will cost way less but the impacts won’t be far off.
Kind of what I was thinking. Not sure if it’s a fit overall but Colorado is likely one of the only teams that Kadri might waive his NMC.
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Old 01-17-2025, 06:21 PM   #7314
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There is a reason why serevelli suggested Ritchie and middelstadt for kadri. Middelstadt is a better winger than center, and that makes him overpaid for what he brings. The avs don't have a center who is better to step into that spot.

Colorado is fully aware that they are in their window.
When did Frank say this? Thread moves fast and I couldn’t find anything
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Old 01-17-2025, 06:23 PM   #7315
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Do a little research he’s going to 29 in 2 weeks and hasn’t played a full season since 18/19.

He’s good friends with Weegar and Huberdeau.

Stop hunting for likes from people like Burning Beard.
There is zero chance he signs 2-3 years. Zero. If anything his injury history nearly guarantees he takes the longest term a team will give, which will be definitely longer than 2 years. And he is definitely not coming to Calgary, who's a coin toss at best to be a playoff team, because he was friends with Huberdeau and Weegar.
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Can't see Colorado giving up Ritchie for Kadri in any way, shape, or form, but maybe their GM drinks.
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There is a reason why serevelli suggested Ritchie and middelstadt for kadri. Middelstadt is a better winger than center, and that makes him overpaid for what he brings. The avs don't have a center who is better to step into that spot.

Colorado is fully aware that they are in their window.
That is a trade that makes more sense. Probably would have to add something but there is a reason they are trying Rantanen at center. They have arguably worse lines 2-4 depth at center than the Flames do.
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Ekblad is going to be a free agent at 29 and is right-handed. Someone is going to offer him a ton of money on a 7-year deal. Why would he settled for 2-3?
Because his only motive is to help the Flames.
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Because his only motive is to help the Flames.
Need more players like that in the NHL
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Middlestadt might put up similar points to Kadri but Kadri brings a lot more to the table and the Avs know it.

Mittlestadt can’t out up big numbers on the Avs, even with sheltered minutes. I’m not sure he’s any better than Zary at this point. Points aren’t everything.

I think Avs do Kadri for Mittlestadt straight up. It might look like a win for the Flames cause they get the younger player but Kadri will help the Avs win way more than Mittlestadt would. Mittlestadt would just be “mid” on a typical “mid” Flames team.

I think the two biggest prizes out there for playoff contenders are Miller and Kadri. The price will be different, Kadri will cost way less but the impacts won’t be far off.
Zara> Millestadt.

I wouldn’t trade Zara for Kadri.

Miller>>>>>>Kadri.
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