2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is your definition of tanking? Tanking for me is a deliberate strategy to sink to the bottom of the standings. I'm not sure 14 of the 15 last cup winners did that.

My definition of tanking is isn't that it necessarily has to be deliberate. In fact, I think most of the time even against the best efforts of a GM, it just happens.

Then it's a question of what you do once you come to the realization that the team is in the tank. Do you take the patient approach and lean into it for a few seasons to take advantage of getting high draft picks, or do you immediately start retooling to get out of the basement as quickly as possible.

I think it's kind of a moot point with the Flames now anyway. Unless Wolf burns out or they play him less, he is likely going to provide good enough goaltending to prevent the team from tanking, so there is nothing to lean into in that regard anymore.

[traptor]

Maybe I'm on my own but I don't view Rasmus as a #1 at all.

He's a really good 2/3 guy, but not one a #1.

Over last 3 years he's 0.52 pts/gp (38th among Dman with over 40gp on this period) and a -14.
He's decent both ways but he's not an elite defender or offensive guy.

He doesn't really have any specific elite skills.

He's never really solidified himself as our bonafide pp1 guy

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Easier to say in hindsight, but I'd still say no, because of the risk you're taking on. Your example highlights good value, but if he falls into replacement level, which is very plausible with this type of player, you've attached way too much term to an average player that's relatively easy to replace in today's NHL especially with so many young players in the league.

Obviously, no exceptions is a hard line, and trust your performance coaches and analytics that certain players will age and their skillsets will develop well, but I've never been a believer in attaching big term to 3rd line type players. The upside just isn't there.

I don’t know, I’d argue the value is pretty high with the bottom six types because the contracts can be had for way better value. Imagine Coleman for 8 years at 2.5 or 3 instead of 4 at 1.8 and then another 6 at 4.9.

Obviously, it takes a player that values security over maximizing salary and confidence in scouting and player development that there’s something there long term. I agree that the risk is a lot higher for guys in that 28-30 range because you’re buying cheaper prime years at the cost of heavier twilight years, but I think max term for 25/26 mid-lineup guys can payoff huge.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Maybe I'm on my own but I don't view Rasmus as a #1 at all.

He's a really good 2/3 guy, but not one a #1.

Over last 3 years he's 0.52 pts/gp (38th among Dman with over 40gp on this period) and a -14.
He's decent both ways but he's not an elite defender or offensive guy.

He doesn't really have any specific elite skills.

He's never really solidified himself as our bonafide pp1 guy

His CF has also taken a dive the last 3 years along with a negative xGF differential.

He is our best trade chip, but he is overrated by our fanbase calling him a top pairing guy. Seems like he is struggling without Hanifin like Brodie did without Gio.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

His CF has also taken a dive the last 3 years along with a negative xGF differential.

He is our best trade chip, but he is overrated by our fanbase calling him a top pairing guy. Seems like he is struggling without Hanifin like Brodie did without Gio.

There are 64 top pair Dmen in the league. Even the post you quote has him ranked 38th. He may not be a #1 but to say he's not a top pair defender is simply personal bias

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

His CF has also taken a dive the last 3 years along with a negative xGF differential.

He is our best trade chip, but he is overrated by our fanbase calling him a top pairing guy. Seems like he is struggling without Hanifin like Brodie did without Gio.

He is a top pairing dman but isn't a #1 dman. Same with Weegar IMO. If he was an actual #1 then the Flames wouldn't consider trading him at all.

[Royle9]

Small update:

Calgary still circling on the Cozens front, I'd say they are probably the closest to his situation and continue to monitor that situation very closely.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Small update:

Calgary still circling on the Cozens front, I'd say they are probably the closest to his situation and continue to monitor that situation very closely.

Whats the rumoured ask?

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Small update:

Calgary still circling on the Cozens front, I'd say they are probably the closest to his situation and continue to monitor that situation very closely.

Any idea on what BUF is asking from the Flames??

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Any idea on what BUF is asking from the Flames??

Gotta think they want a first, roster player and prospect.

Craig probably offering Kuzy and a 2nd haha

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Small update:

Calgary still circling on the Cozens front, I'd say they are probably the closest to his situation and continue to monitor that situation very closely.

I don’t even know how it if I am supposed to like Cozens, but this is exciting.

[Toonage]

Zero idea how they're going to pull it off but I'm excited to see what happens.

[Bonded]

I don't mind it if Cozens comes cheap.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Small update:

Calgary still circling on the Cozens front, I'd say they are probably the closest to his situation and continue to monitor that situation very closely.

Get em Conroy!

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Whats the rumoured ask?

No exact details, but a 1st ++ likely a prospect + roster player.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think the question I always have is "who wants him" followed by "what do they have". It's fine to set abstract targets but you need that willing buyer.

So who wants/needs Andersson and what do they have?

FLA - Samoskevich + Eriksson/Devine + 1st
Jack Devine would be a very interesting target. A former 7th rounder that's absolutely tearing the NCAA.
Linus Eriksson is a C, taken in the 2nd round in the last draft, more of a 2-way forward. I could see him being a Backlund replacement in a 3-5 years.

Other teams that could really use Andersson IMO: COL(Calum Ritchie), BOS(Poitras + futures), DET(Wallinder/Edvinsson/Sandin-Pelika/Kasper/Danielson).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

FLA - Samoskevich + Eriksson/Devine + 1st
Jack Devine would be a very interesting target. A former 7th rounder that's absolutely tearing the NCAA.
Linus Eriksson is a C, taken in the 2nd round in the last draft, more of a 2-way forward. I could see him being a Backlund replacement in a 3-5 years.

Other teams that could really use Andersson IMO: COL(Calum Ritchie), BOS(Poitras + futures), DET(Wallinder/Edvinsson/Sandin-Pelika/Kasper/Danielson).

I could see Detroit being on Andersson's NT list, but not the other two.

[mile]

Both LeBrun and Seravalli have mentioned the Flames as among the teams checking in on Cozens in recent days.


Feels like Conroy might get his guy

[traptor]

I could see it being njd 1st + pospisil + something smaller.

Hes the one player that I could see the flames thinking is expendable and doesnt have trade protection that the sabres would be very interested in.

Unless they're willing to move rasmus

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Royle9

No exact details, but a 1st ++ likely a prospect + roster player.

I wouldn't give any one of those for that contract.