Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Good lord OIOI. you are a master of moving goal posts and imagining things

Actually I was just seeking clarification, didn’t make any statements. Try to relax a little.

My point to Pickles is why have disdain for people who keep his tax burden low, why wish they didn't exist, when that would mean he would have to pay more.

Why vote for a political party that given enough time will have to come collect more from him because revenues are down, because you know tax the rich!

The rich get taxed, they pay most of the bill, let's keep them here.

I think you’re doing a little bit of revisionist history though. The tax rates on lower-mid incomes has increased continually from their low point over the past 40-50 years-ish, while the top marginal income tax rates have declined significantly from their high point during that same period. A similar decline has occurred with the average corporate tax rates.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

[/NSFW]

Why do you think that chart proves anything? Just ebcause funding increased over the years means squat. What, in your opinion, is the correct level of funding? How much do hospitals need to provide the correct amount of service?

Be specific.

No clue, but throwing money at the problem isn't always the solution. One issue with Canadian healthcare is the perception that it's "free" and that allows for emergency rooms to fill up when people get a cough, which is why there are "wait times" but the fallacy in that, is someone with certain symptoms at triage aren't waiting, you say the word chest pain and you will jump the line quick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

No clue, but throwing money at the problem isn't always the solution. One issue with Canadian healthcare is the perception that it's "free" and that allows for emergency rooms to fill up when people get a cough, which is why there are "wait times" but the fallacy in that, is someone with certain symptoms at triage aren't waiting, you say the word chest pain and you will jump the line quick.

So your chart is worthless. And you just recite the "throwing money" line conservatives rely on.

I had chest pains a year ago and waited six hours.

Tell me how many bankruptcies were caused by medical issues in the US last year, and then how many there were in Canada.

Here's some help:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ies-by-country

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

No clue, but throwing money at the problem isn't always the solution. One issue with Canadian healthcare is the perception that it's "free" and that allows for emergency rooms to fill up when people get a cough, which is why there are "wait times" but the fallacy in that, is someone with certain symptoms at triage aren't waiting, you say the word chest pain and you will jump the line quick.

Spending money on things that require money isn’t “throwing money” at something.

[GioforPM]

As for funding levels, Canada spends far less on most measures than almost every other western country.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magaz...tment-problem/

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Another serious question (since apparently our fans don’t appreciate our fun, catty back and forth and would rather us be boring), but why not move the business to somewhere like Texas? I’m assuming based on your cancer story your reason for staying is family based, why not move them down?

Cancer story was a friend's father not family. Mine would be my widowed mother. I have zero interest in moving to Texas or to the states for that matter, I am fine with a comfortable life in Canada.

People move to Texas for the "low" taxes and than get their property tax bill lol.
Plus i don't like the weather down there, give me 15 degress all day everyday .

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Most of my family is still in California, so I’m familiar with the things someone of your leaning would take issue with. I also prefer it here, but I don’t view things as “bad” here.

I don't think those things i would take issue with, you wouldn't as well? Do you think soft on crime policies are good for the people they are trying to protect? Good for people who break the law but not for the law abiding ones. But those DA's and mayors got the boot last year anyway.

The other annoying thing is the constant regulations on the ballot and the billions given to NPO without any tangible results.

The governance lately is worse than Trudeau

But Canada is home, always has been, have zero desire to leave.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Imagine leveraging against your own country when your country is under so much threat from a hostile foreign superpower - its economic well-being and ultimately its very existence. Deeply irresponsible leadership, and quite disgraceful.

Is it really hard to imagine? You have a Liberal party that has stayed in power dividing the country. You have provinces ahem Quebec that has said no pipelines in our backyard, while foreign oil floats up the St. Lawrence daily.

To me, like it or not (which I don't) this is just the end result of decades of frankly unfairness from various governments, especially the current one, and a few chosen provinces who don't really stand up for Alberta (at times demonize it) now upset.

We aren't a country. Have not been for a while. Its sad, and it can make you angry, but how on Earth is Smith in power and feels comfortable to say what she is saying. Oh and sorry "cause stupid" isn't a response.

and as a parting thought, what if our PM just stepped aside properly? Would Tarriffs be an actual threat? Or would Trump be happy to discuss with someone he respects? Just a thought.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So your chart is worthless. And you just recite the "throwing money" line conservatives rely on.

I had chest pains a year ago and waited six hours.

Tell me how many bankruptcies were caused by medical issues in the US last year, and then how many there were in Canada.

Here's some help:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ies-by-country

Ah yes does it matter how someone goes bankrupt? Why does Canada have a higher bankruptcy rate that the US?

https://www.google.com/search?q=cana...t=gws-wiz-serp

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Enlighten me.

The Canadian government will want the exporter to remit to them the taxes owing.

The exporter is Alberta, with Alberta "owned" oil. There is nothing to remit because there is nothing that is taxable.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As for funding levels, Canada spends far less on most measures than almost every other western country.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magaz...tment-problem/

Ok so here is a small list of Trudeaus Financial Imperialism

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affa...in-africa.html


that tiny list is about 40 million

I got way more examples that reach into the billions for Trudeau's pet projects

Should we use that money to start funding under funded health care system? Yes or No?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

that tiny list is about 40 million


Ok so here is a small list of Trudeaus Financial Imperialism

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affa...in-africa.html

Should we use that money to start funding under funded health care system? Yes or No?

No. Use money raised from new large corporate and wealthy individual tax increases. That would raise far more than $35M (which is a fractional amount in health care terms).

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No. Use money raised from new large corporate and wealthy individual tax increases. That would raise far more than $35M (which is a fractional amount in health care terms).

But the wealthy already pay the majority of the bill?

Should we even the score and tax the less wealthy more OR should we save tens of billions from Trudeau's worldly pet projects.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Cancer story was a friend's father not family. Mine would be my widowed mother. I have zero interest in moving to Texas or to the states for that matter, I am fine with a comfortable life in Canada.

People move to Texas for the "low" taxes and than get their property tax bill lol.
Plus i don't like the weather down there, give me 15 degress all day everyday .

I don't think those things i would take issue with, you wouldn't as well? Do you think soft on crime policies are good for the people they are trying to protect? Good for people who break the law but not for the law abiding ones. But those DA's and mayors got the boot last year anyway.

The other annoying thing is the constant regulations on the ballot and the billions given to NPO without any tangible results.

The governance lately is worse than Trudeau

But Canada is home, always has been, have zero desire to leave.

So I can understand, what makes it a comfortable life in Canada today? Would you be in favour of Alberta joining the US?

We’re kind of in the midst of a lot of hand wringing over a large number of real issues with very different approaches to solving them. I’m not against changing things to solve them, whether it comes from the CPC, Liberals, or the NDP, but I am extremely against anything and anyone that toys with the idea of Alberta becoming a state, Canada becoming a state (which the vast majority of Canadians and Americans disagree with anyway), or some other elimination of borders or the operational divide between the two countries. Would you agree with that?

I think there’s a huge difference between wanting to make Canada better, and just wanting to make it like the US. People like Smith, O’Leary, and Peterson (two of which don’t live here) seem to be more focused on the latter.

If you don’t want to leave, and don’t want Canada to just become the US, do you support people who do?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So I can understand, what makes it a comfortable life in Canada today? Would you be in favour of Alberta joining the US?

We’re kind of in the midst of a lot of hand wringing over a large number of real issues with very different approaches to solving them. I’m not against changing things to solve them, whether it comes from the CPC, Liberals, or the NDP, but I am extremely against anything and anyone that toys with the idea of Alberta becoming a state, Canada becoming a state (which the vast majority of Canadians and Americans disagree with anyway), or some other elimination of borders or the operational divide between the two countries. Would you agree with that?

I think there’s a huge difference between wanting to make Canada better, and just wanting to make it like the US. People like Smith, O’Leary, and Peterson (two of which don’t live here) seem to be more focused on the latter.

If you don’t want to leave, and don’t want Canada to just become the US, do you support people who do?

Roots, Family and Friends

My investments negate the high taxes i pay... for now

People are allowed to have stupid opinions.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The Canadian government will want the exporter to remit to them the taxes owing.

The exporter is Alberta, with Alberta "owned" oil. There is nothing to remit because there is nothing that is taxable.

Let's just accept, for the sake of argument, that Alberta is prepared to essentially nationalize energy exporting in Alberta. And let's also suppose that, for some reason, the federal Crown lacks the constitutional authority to charge a tariff to a provincial Crown (I have no idea whether or not this is true - I don't see any obvious reason why it would be true but I'm not going to spend any time thinking about it because of the following).

If those two things are true, the federal government will just achieve its policy goal (of inflicting economic harm on the United States) by prohibiting the export of energy to the United States.

Masterfully played, Premier Smith.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Roots, Family and Friends

People are allowed to have stupid opinions.

Which opinions that I was referring to do you think are stupid?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Which opinions that I was referring to do you think are stupid?

Canada joining the US,

i would be willing to give them Quebec though. Welfare state for 50+ years and counting!

Alberta can stop funding Quebec health care

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The Canadian government will want the exporter to remit to them the taxes owing.

The exporter is Alberta, with Alberta "owned" oil. There is nothing to remit because there is nothing that is taxable.

Alberta already owns the oil. That’s how they collect royalties.

If they export the oil, they’re selling it, and the tariff is included.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Yes they must be right!

I would take their word over yours any day, man

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I would take their word over yours any day, man

Yikes, the blind leading the blind, i hope you don't have that standard in your own personal affairs.