Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

like why didnt any other premiers go see trump?

Cause they actually had a spine.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That...is weird. I cropped it and image searched and came up with nothing. Probably our new Alberta flag drawn by Preston Manning's son, who will be receiving $2.5 million for it.

Or it's a major ####up and was supposed to be saved for reveal as our new state flag, clearly without St. George's Cross.

Either way, seems pretty presumptuous to officially represent Alberta with something that kinda looks like our flag, but isn't. But this is like, the least important thing she has ever done.

She's had this on her private announcements for a couple of months. My circle has been talking about it. It's... very strange.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You are sending a barrel of oil through a pipeline and across the border into the US. Where do you (the feds) collect the export levy and from whom?

It’s shocking you don’t know how exports work after speaking with such confidence and apparently making up a story about “paper transactions” lol. So, It’ll be more fun to walk you to the answer.

Generally, export taxes/tariffs are paid by the exporter before the product can cross the border. Once it’s paid, it can cross. This fee, whatever it is, is baked into the invoice to the importer.

But you’re right, there’s no border officer checking to see how many beers the barrel of oil is bringing across as it travels through the pipeline. But… you’re an expert of the carbon tax, right? Well, if a carbon tax applies to every gigajoules of energy I buy, and it comes into my house every day even though I only pay once a month, how do you suppose that works?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Lack of opportunity.

To take a vacation? True.

She’s never doing anything of value, anyway. I’m sure the others are quite busy working.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How on-brand for Albertans to complain about our oil being shut in and being mistreated by the federal government after the feds spent $5 billion to finish TransMountain, and oil exports and production have both hit record highs. There’s no timeline where Alberta uber alles types don’t piss and moan about how badly treated we are.

An Albertan Anti-vaxxer is the most persecuted individual in history

*Deep green for satire, but also not that satirical

[Monahammer]

I had an interesting debate with a friend yesterday. Both of us are not UCP supporters, but he argued that Danielle may actually be pursuing the best policy for Alberta specifically in this fight. I am not sure I agree but here are his points:

1. American oil producers don't want tariffs on Canadian oil either, and will be putting pressure on trump to avoid tariffs on this product.
2. Trump wants to follow through on his total tariff as much as possible to maintain his strong man, #### your global order and rules image and not break from that image immediately.
3. Trump has shown to be generous to sycophants. In fact, he loves having smoke blown up his ass and only thinks favorably of people with orange lips.
4. Danielle is putting on quite the rim job show, and pushing from the other end of oil execs.

Yes, it is very distasteful stuff. But if Oil, or oil and gas generally, can avoid th 25% tariff then Alberta will avoid an economic disaster.

I am not convinced it will work but I can see why someone might think it will.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You are sending a barrel of oil through a pipeline and across the border into the US. Where do you (the feds) collect the export levy and from whom?

You collect it from the corporation (or other person) who is exporting it to the United States (who may or may not pass that cost on to its customer).

As I understand it, export tariffs on commodities transported through pipelines have become less common (especially as free trade agreements have grown in scope and membership), but this is not some new idea.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I had an interesting debate with a friend yesterday. Both of us are not UCP supporters, but he argued that Danielle may actually be pursuing the best policy for Alberta specifically in this fight. I am not sure I agree but here are his points:

1. American oil producers don't want tariffs on Canadian oil either, and will be putting pressure on trump to avoid tariffs on this product.
2. Trump wants to follow through on his total tariff as much as possible to maintain his strong man, #### your global order and rules image and not break from that image immediately.
3. Trump has shown to be generous to sycophants. In fact, he loves having smoke blown up his ass and only thinks favorably of people with orange lips.
4. Danielle is putting on quite the rim job show, and pushing from the other end of oil execs.

Yes, it is very distasteful stuff. But if Oil, or oil and gas generally, can avoid th 25% tariff then Alberta will avoid an economic disaster.

I am not convinced it will work but I can see why someone might think it will.

The retort to that is that Trump screws over anyone he has ever made a deal with. He certainly will not have loyalty to Alberta or Smith. So kissing his ass just delays the inevitable screw job. And by doing that, she screws over our country, which should be, for every Canadian, the actual priority.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

like why didnt any other premiers go see trump?

Other Premiers are also doing meetings on their own behalf. Legault met with Trump in early December to talk about border security and control and the tariff threat. PEI's Premier was down in the US earlier this week to meet with US elected officials (not Trump directly) to discuss the importance of the potato and seafood trade between his province and the US and how tariffs could impact that.

Also, Eby is planning a trip to Washington (https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/h...-plan-10042531) which might be part of the February delegation trip planned to Washington for all the Premiers in Canada (although he might be planning a solo mission as well.)

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I had an interesting debate with a friend yesterday. Both of us are not UCP supporters, but he argued that Danielle may actually be pursuing the best policy for Alberta specifically in this fight. I am not sure I agree but here are his points:

1. American oil producers don't want tariffs on Canadian oil either, and will be putting pressure on trump to avoid tariffs on this product.
2. Trump wants to follow through on his total tariff as much as possible to maintain his strong man, #### your global order and rules image and not break from that image immediately.
3. Trump has shown to be generous to sycophants. In fact, he loves having smoke blown up his ass and only thinks favorably of people with orange lips.
4. Danielle is putting on quite the rim job show, and pushing from the other end of oil execs.

Yes, it is very distasteful stuff. But if Oil, or oil and gas generally, can avoid th 25% tariff then Alberta will avoid an economic disaster.

I am not convinced it will work but I can see why someone might think it will.

He's also demonstrated a gleeful willingness to screw former sycophants as soon as they are no longer useful. I'm not convinced the long-term damage to Alberta's reputation and relationship to the rest of Canada is worth the short term gain (since these tarriffs, if imposed, will almost certainly be short-lived). And that's all assuming that Smith is somehow successful, which she almost certainly won't be.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

She's had this on her private announcements for a couple of months. My circle has been talking about it. It's... very strange.

Need a reporter to ask her what it is supposed to represent, and who it applies to. Is it just her? UCP? Alberta, but we were just never told?

[MelBridgeman]

Public health care crisis

Nearly 75,000 Canadians have died waiting for various types of health services, from cancer treatment to MRI scans, since April 2018,

The number is much much higher as some provinces don't even track wait time deaths

People continue to travel to the US for superior care

Leeson, who considers herself a “medical refugee,” says she had to travel to the United States to get treatment for an aggressive ovarian cancer because of obstacles to getting the care she needed in Canada.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/articl...r-colonoscopy/

Privatize now!

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I had an interesting debate with a friend yesterday. Both of us are not UCP supporters, but he argued that Danielle may actually be pursuing the best policy for Alberta specifically in this fight. I am not sure I agree but here are his points:

1. American oil producers don't want tariffs on Canadian oil either, and will be putting pressure on trump to avoid tariffs on this product.
2. Trump wants to follow through on his total tariff as much as possible to maintain his strong man, #### your global order and rules image and not break from that image immediately.
3. Trump has shown to be generous to sycophants. In fact, he loves having smoke blown up his ass and only thinks favorably of people with orange lips.
4. Danielle is putting on quite the rim job show, and pushing from the other end of oil execs.

Yes, it is very distasteful stuff. But if Oil, or oil and gas generally, can avoid th 25% tariff then Alberta will avoid an economic disaster.

I am not convinced it will work but I can see why someone might think it will.

I would assume the majority of US companies do not want Canadian tariffs given that a large majority is raw materials. Even autos - its not like these vehicles are made by some Canadian independent. They are Fords, Chevs, and Dodge

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Public health care crisis



The number is much much higher as some provinces don't even track wait time deaths

People continue to travel to the US for superior care



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/articl...r-colonoscopy/

Privatize now!

I, too, think the American system is 10x better than the Canadian health care system.

Like bar none, the American system is probably the best out of the developed world.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Makarov

You collect it from the corporation (or other person) who is exporting it to the United States (who may or may not pass that cost on to its customer).

As I understand it, export tariffs on commodities transported through pipelines have become less common (especially as free trade agreements have grown in scope and membership), but this is not some new idea.

The export tariffs are less common because they’re more difficult to implement, which is why “turning off the taps” is a more likely lever they’ll pull if they pull any at all.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Public health care crisis



The number is much much higher as some provinces don't even track wait time deaths

People continue to travel to the US for superior care



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/articl...r-colonoscopy/

Privatize now!

Sure, can we make you a CEO?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I was originally going to vote for PP. Now that’s Carney’s likely in the ring, I’ll be voting for him.

A BA in international relations vs a Harvard graduate and an Oxford PhD in Economics… hmmm. Easy choice for me. I think Carney can get our country back to being financially sound. If Freeland is given the nod, I’ll likely vote PP.

Found on Reddit...

Spoiler!

Man, tough call...

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure, can we make you a CEO?

Pickles you're obsession with murder is disturbing!


~LIvInG ReNt Free~

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Public health care crisis



The number is much much higher as some provinces don't even track wait time deaths

People continue to travel to the US for superior care



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/articl...r-colonoscopy/

Privatize now!

LOL. I would love to see what your algorithm looks like.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Found on Reddit...

Spoiler!

Man, tough call...

Famous Randy is going to run again so Carney may not even get a seat; E=NG