How do we ACTUALLY improve this team

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Flames and Oilers are like polar opposites. Oilers suck at drafting and developing, but always luck into generational talents that can drag their team into competence. Flames have no luck ever drafting any sort of generational superstar, but are good at drafting and developing later round picks into NHL players that collectively make the team competent. If Flames had the Oiler's draft lottery luck, I have no doubt they'd be perennial contenders.

Gotta disagree with the drafting and developing late round picks. In the last 20 years there’s only a handful of players drafted after the second who've made any sort of NHL career. Brodie, Gaudreau, Mang, Ferland, Fox, Wolf, Pospisil. Not to use the Oilers as a measuring stick, I don’t think this represents good drafting and development.

EDIT: when comparing with the recent dynasties the number of late round picks having any impact all look fairly comparable. One glaring difference is retention. Doughty, Kopitar, Brown, Quick. Crosby, Malkin, Letang. This should be the Flames year. Monohan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Fox, just imagine what that lineup would be doing.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

OK, but I think the question is how do we actually figuratively, literally.

Obviously.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Gotta disagree with the drafting and developing late round picks. In the last 20 years there’s only a handful of players drafted after the second who've made any sort of NHL career. Brodie, Gaudreau, Mang, Ferland, Fox, Wolf, Pospisil. Not to use the Oilers as a measuring stick, I don’t think this represents good drafting and development.

The Flames have been amongst the most successful teams in finding players in later rounds. The problem has been lack of picks until recently. Hit rate has been strong.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Gotta disagree with the drafting and developing late round picks. In the last 20 years there’s only a handful of players drafted after the second who've made any sort of NHL career. Brodie, Gaudreau, Mang, Ferland, Fox, Wolf, Pospisil. Not to use the Oilers as a measuring stick, I don’t think this represents good drafting and development.

Draft pick management was the issue, not draft development. It didn't help that Treliving kept trading away picks. For what the Flames had to work with, I think Flames are amongst the strongest in turning later round guys into viable NHLers.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Flames and Oilers are like polar opposites. Oilers suck at drafting and developing, but always luck into generational talents that can drag their team into competence. Flames have no luck ever drafting any sort of generational superstar, but are good at drafting and developing later round picks into NHL players that collectively make the team competent. If Flames had the Oiler's draft lottery luck, I have no doubt they'd be perennial contenders.

I think it is more to to with the types of bets the teams make than it is luck.

The oilers place a lot of bets on getting high end talent. With the number and probability of their bets, it is not lucky that some will eventual hit. They have a tunnel vision for this and neglect everything else.

The Flames never make bets that have a high probability of getting top end players. And the way they have historically traded so many picks and held on to aging players too long, has resulted in them not even making very many low probability bets to boot. Given the way they have been betting, I would say they have above average luck to have hit with Gaudreau and Wolf.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Flames have been amongst the most successful teams in finding players in later rounds. The problem has been lack of picks until recently. Hit rate has been strong.

You’re right. Was looking this up AFTER I posted and edited my thought. Other the. Kucherov and Point, the “Dynasty” teams have very few late round picks who’ve contributed much of anything.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Team could win the cup right now, wolf has a 65% win percentage. Coaching has been good, development is good, just need a couple better D-men and to construct better 4th and 3rd lines. Feels close though. Very close.

Then how would Calgary beat teams with a goalie with a better winning percentage? There are plenty well about 65%.

[saillias]

Wait for climate change to make Calgary a destination city