2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

Go get Cozens Conny. I'm ready for it.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Re: The TSN news yesterday about Conroy wanting to sign Andersson.


This was exactly what we heard form Friedman et all about Hanifin, and quite frankly Rasmus is better at playing the media.

Wouldn't get worked up about it. He's likely on the move. Just a matter of when I think.

Yeah - there's certainly an argument that this is what you say in the media. 'I'm willing to keep him so you better bring your best offers. No tirekickers - Brad, I'm looking at you."

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You’re right. We’re just like Tampa Bay.

No, but we can start building a culture of winning and team comes first.

Or we can do it the Sutter way and say ok is not ok, hold on to aging vets and spend picks and free agency to build 8th and 9th place teams.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Go get Cozens Conny. I'm ready for it.

He would be an upgrade on Rooney.

Once Zary comes back we don't have room for another C, unless its to replace Rooney.

Who will you move down th elineup? Backlund? Kadri? Zary?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No, but we can start building a culture of winning and team comes first.

Or we can do it the Sutter way and say ok is not ok, hold on to aging vets and spend picks and free agency to build 8th and 9th place teams.

If you were face to face with Daryl Sutter would you tell him his ‘ok with being ok’ is what you think of his hockey management skills?

[ResAlien]

There's no space? Buddy unless we've got a #1 centre on the roster there's always space. Just because you got a bunch of middle six centres doesn't mean you say sorry we're full

[Tbull8]

Exactly, if Cozens is a better option at C then Zary moves back to the wing

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If you were face to face with Daryl Sutter would you tell him his ‘ok with being ok’ is what you think of his hockey management skills?

No because I am not a nut who attacks athletes or managers when he seems them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

How is that condescending?

I would have the same reaction to anyone who thinks our cup window is opening. When we are in year 1 of a rebuild.

I've always thought a single "lol" to someone you disagree with is a bad look.

I've never had a problem with replying with an actual response disagreeing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No, but we can start building a culture of winning and team comes first.

Or we can do it the Sutter way and say ok is not ok, hold on to aging vets and spend picks and free agency to build 8th and 9th place teams.

You realize there is some real estate between these two data points right?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Exactly, if Cozens is a better option at C then Zary moves back to the wing

So we just waisted 20 games moving him to C just abandon it, while he has shown a lot of progress because we want to chase a worse player.

Cozens will be a Hamonic 2.0 trade.

[dammage79]

Holy moly, Paulie's like a rabid raccoon fighting over some spoiled meat when it comes to anybody talking about Cozens. He's right there to shut you up and stamp down that conversation in a hurry.

Hey Paulie, we've heard your message, it's been the same since the first time we heard it. Step down bruh.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Exactly, if Cozens is a better option at C then Zary moves back to the wing

IMO this is the ideal scenario, Zary can be more creative and can take some of the faceoffs depending on who they're facing in the dot.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Exactly, if Cozens is a better option at C then Zary moves back to the wing

I would rather keep developing Zary as a centre as he has looked great in that spot. If the flames got Cozens and he looks just as good or better than Zary, then re-adjust the centre depth to Cozens>Zary>Kadri>Backlund. I think the team needs to start the transition later this year or next year as young players get more prominent roles over the older players.

Backlund and Coleman’s offence is not as strong as it used to be but they would be an elite 4th line at this point. Make Kadri the 3rd line centre.

Something like this next year

Huberdeau-Cozens-Sharangovich
Honzek-Zary-Coronato
Pelletier-Kadri-Klapka
Lomberg-Backlund-Coleman

Backlund and Coleman still would play prominent roles on the PK and the bench would not be shortened as often in the 3rd period. Would be rolling 4 lines more evenly.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Holy moly, Paulie's like a rabid raccoon fighting over some spoiled meat when it comes to anybody talking about Cozens. He's right there to shut you up and stamp down that conversation in a hurry.

Hey Paulie, we've heard your message, it's been the same since the first time we heard it. Step down bruh.

I think he's on pace to over take the all time posting mantle by 2026.

I'd love to see his previous handle history to see if he's already there!

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So we just waisted 20 games moving him to C just abandon it, while he has shown a lot of progress because we want to chase a worse player.

Cozens will be a Hamonic 2.0 trade.

A Cozens trade is more of a Dougie trade then a Hamonic trade, given age and pedigree.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

A Cozens trade is more of a Dougie trade then a Hamonic trade, given age and pedigree.

More in line with Hamonic's abilities than Hamilton's though

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

More in line with Hamonic's abilities than Hamilton's though

This is just revisionist. Dougie had a kind of rough first 2 seasons, looked OK offensively third season but there were tons of rumors about attitude and fit with teammates, which is the entire reason Boston agreed to trade him!
Let's not pretend he was some pristine untouched golden boy here.
If anything, Cozens season of ~70 points is far beyond anything dougie did prior to being traded by Boston. If we're talking relative performance.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I do think that Monahammer is right on a key point at least - that Andersson's value is probably the highest right now and up until this deadline. I actually don't think there is an argument against it.


If Huberdeau was still making 5.9 million, and he was on an expiring contract, we would expect the offers for him at the deadline to start with a 1st++, no? But with his current deal, we can expect the offers to be "future considerations" and for Calgary to add multiple 1st round picks. Say what you will about the value either way at the maximum and minimum - that's totally not the point here - but you can NOT argue that Huberdeau's contract is the biggest influence on his valuation. Why then, isn't the same logic being shown towards Andersson's cap-friendly deal? Of course his value is the highest between now and the deadline, and I argue it was probably the highest during this past off-season, and already some of that value has evaporated, especially since he did NOT hold a 6 team no trade list until July 1st.


Sure, there are fluctuations year-to-year every trade deadline. However, these fluctuations mostly impact wingers and depth pieces, not top 6 Cs and top 4 Ds - these premium positions always go for premium assets. The deadline is when teams value players the most. The draft is when teams value picks the most.



Now, whether to trade Andersson or not is a different argument, and I see both sides. I prefer to trade him, but if he signs a fair deal (not necessarily team friendly , but also not an overpay to keep him), I would be happy to retain him. He is part of a leadership core that seems to be great, overachieving, and helping young players develop. That's good, and I am fine with re-signing him. I would rather have more bullets in the chamber, however, and given his age, and other long-term deals on the books, I would rather move on. As long as he isn't sold for pennies on the dollar, or re-signed to an overpay, I will be happy.


Something else to ponder...



This market is shifting now. Players are getting more say now than ever before. Tkachuk should have been offered to 31 teams when the Flames traded him, but instead was only offered to 5 teams, even though he didn't have any trade protection. Hanifin's value was further impacted when his agent spoken to teams and let them know which markets Hanifin was willing to re-sign in (and yes, Vegas was one of them, even though he preferred the east coast - Eichel is one of his best buddies too).



So why wouldn't Andersson push his preferences in this upcoming off-season? I would if I was in his shoes, given how many others are doing the same? He just saw Tkachuk lift a cup. He is watching Hanifin's team at the top of the standings. I would imagine he will probably want to have more say than his 6 team no trade list - or at least, the risk is there of him having his say.


It is an easier pill to swallow for a team worrying about re-signing Andersson and possibly losing him for nothing, if you get two playoff runs at least - plus more time to convince him to re-sign.



I can't see an argument where Rasmus isn't more valuable up until this trade deadline. I do see an argument as to whether or not to trade Andersson, however. As stated, I am more inclined to trade him, but I do see value in extending him as well - he is a great player with a great character, and that's not always easy to find.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think he's on pace to over take the all time posting mantle by 2026.

I'd love to see his previous handle history to see if he's already there!

Posts vs word count? I must be beating him still by a wide margin, even with him having a previous account started when this site first went up.