Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Looks like Alberta might set up a public entity to buy all of the oil from the producers on paper before it is exported.

The Feds can't taxa province, so it would the their hands.

Holy #### Conservatives secretly loved the NEP all this god damn time!

[PepsiFree]

It should be noted that the vast majority of even Albertans are directly opposed to any sort of separation, whether that be by joining the US or becoming independent.

Anyone who talks about these things as if they’re anything more than fringe ideas or funny water cooler talk are themselves extremists.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy #### Conservatives secretly loved the NEP all this god damn time!

Alberta Conservatives: 'Let the Eastern Bastards Freeze in the Dark!'


Also Alberta Conservatives: Why don't we have more pipelines to the East?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Stripping provinces of most of their powers would be a solution in the best interests of Canadians.

Okay...yes and no.

I do believe that a lot of decisions should be made at a National level with local consultation, but I agree that we have to unify some of the decision-making processes.

Every Province only looking out for themselves is not the solution. We're like squabbling siblings. We really need to come together and start playing as a real team.

We're barely a country. You've got Political heads that think we should be leading the world? In what? Why?

We're a loosely associated Confederation of territories that just happen to be geographically conveniently located.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The current version of Confederation is broken. To wit: your point on the transfer paymemts. Replacing Confederation is in the best interests of all Canadians.

I've banged this drum many times in the past, but this kind of belly-aching about a "broken confederation" from the wealthiest, most prosperous member of that confederation comes across as... a bit petulant.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay...yes and no.

I do believe that a lot of decisions should be made at a National level with local consultation, but I agree that we have to unify some of the decision-making processes.

Every Province only looking out for themselves is not the solution. We're like squabbling siblings. We really need to come together and start playing as a real team.

We're barely a country. You've got Political heads that think we should be leading the world? In what? Why?

We're a loosely associated Confederation of territories that just happen to be geographically conveniently located.

Well, no, we’re a country. Nothing convenient about it. No “barely” about it. Real country. Just because a small number of people wish it weren’t so, doesn’t make it less true.

And as for leading the world in what and why. Maybe listen as they finish the sentence. You’ll usually find the answer.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've banged this drum many times in the past, but this kind of belly-aching about a "broken confederation" from the wealthiest, most prosperous member of that confederation comes across as... a bit petulant.

These are the same people that fly Canadian flags on their trucks.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by troutman

These are the same people that fly Canadian flags on their trucks.

Yeah but they're the TRUE Canadians. The rest of us are sheeple

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It should be noted that the vast majority of even Albertans are directly opposed to any sort of separation, whether that be by joining the US or becoming independent.

Anyone who talks about these things as if they’re anything more than fringe ideas or funny water cooler talk are themselves extremists.

We have a premier who thinks she has an overwhelming mandate due to ~5,000 votes electing her party leader in a closed party session in red deer last year.

I don't think mass opinion matters, only what opinions are cruising around her echo chamber. And I worry greatly about what opinions are in there right now.

[Monahammer]

Here's one: Internal government memos indicate they are considering scrapping TIER entirely with a federal government change. This position supported by the exact voting group I mentioned and championed by her current chief of staff Rob Anderson.

Meanwhile, this would likely mean immediate death to Dow's announced path2zero project, one of the largest industrial project investments in Alberta's history.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I've banged this drum many times in the past, but this kind of belly-aching about a "broken confederation" from the wealthiest, most prosperous member of that confederation comes across as... a bit petulant.

We're surrounded by petulence all of the time. The endless TDS in this thread and the other politics threads us petulence. The endless tears about Smith doing her job for her constituents... Petulence. The rest of Canada complaining about Albertas wealth and it's approach to "unity" this week... Petulence.

It's irrelevant.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

We're surrounded by petulence all of the time. The endless TDS in this thread and the other politics threads us petulence. The endless tears about Smith doing her job for her constituents... Petulence. The rest of Canada complaining about Albertas wealth and it's approach to "unity" this week... Petulence.

It's irrelevant.

I don't think you understand what petulance is.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Here's one: Internal government memos indicate they are considering scrapping TIER entirely with a federal government change. This position supported by the exact voting group I mentioned and championed by her current chief of staff Rob Anderson.

Meanwhile, this would likely mean immediate death to Dow's announced path2zero project, one of the largest industrial project investments in Alberta's history.

Jesus ####ing christ. Debate the consumer carbon tax, fine. But TIER is the part that actually works and hardly anybody seems to disagree with.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We have a premier who thinks she has an overwhelming mandate due to ~5,000 votes electing her party leader in a closed party session in red deer last year.

I don't think mass opinion matters, only what opinions are cruising around her echo chamber. And I worry greatly about what opinions are in there right now.

I agree with you entirely. She’s normalized extremist, anti-Canadian rhetoric that an minority of Albertans hold and pursued policies that the majority of Albertans have continuously opposed, even going as far as collecting data on the favourability of those things and acting against the wishes of Albertans if the outcome did not align with her desires.

Kenney was not a good soldier for the extremist group that has taken over the party, so he was put to pasture. Smith came in and made clear when it came to election time she wouldn’t run on or talk about the deeply unpopular portions of her platform, which worked, and then she started pursuing those things anyway.

Mass opinion doesn’t seem to matter. At all. Because extremists hold the power. But that shouldn’t stop us from repeatedly pointing out that these are extreme, unpopular positions and policies not shared by the majority of Albertans and certainly not by the majority of Canadians.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Torture

Jesus ####ing christ. Debate the consumer carbon tax, fine. But TIER is the part that actually works and hardly anybody seems to disagree with.

Who needs consultation with industry partners when government knows best?

[Torture]

Man I sure hate when I agree with Jason ####ing Kenney.

“Generally, we need to be prepared to retaliate in kind to any unfair tariffs imposed on us by the United States. We can’t be wusses about this. We have to have a spine,” Kenney said.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/artic...trump-tariffs/

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, no, we’re a country. Nothing convenient about it. No “barely” about it. Real country. Just because a small number of people wish it weren’t so, doesn’t make it less true.

The Trump tariff issue is just a recent and very obvious, example of why this isn't true.

Canada actually shares some attributes with other nations that were glued together artificially. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, for example. Maybe even the USSR.

It's absurd to think that someone in Prince George, BC and someone in St John's NFLD are governed by the same people sitting in Ottawa, who are often from Quebec and chosen by elections largely determined by a concentrated population base in Southern Ontario. And people think the best solution to this nonsensical arrangement is to give more power to the Federal government?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The Trump tariff issue is just a recent and very obvious, example of why this isn't true.

Canada actually shares some attributes with other nations that were glued together artificially. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, for example. Maybe even the USSR.

It's absurd to think that someone in Prince George, BC and someone in St John's NFLD are governed by the same people sitting in Ottawa, who are often from Quebec and chosen by elections largely determined by a concentrated population base in Southern Ontario. And people think the best solution to this nonsensical arrangement is to give more power to the Federal government?

Is the US broken too since all of the states don’t agree on everything?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Torture

Man I sure hate when I agree with Jason ####ing Kenney.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/artic...trump-tariffs/

To be clear, this is the exact opposite of Smith's approach.

[Monahammer]

BoLevi, I like to believe you're just an ignoramus, but you're *LITERALLY* quoting russian strategy for north america by comparing Canada to yugoslavia. The goal is to "balkanize" (a term based on yugoslavia) western nations and reduce their economic dominance through infighting.

Do not compare us to yugoslavia- we basically have nothing in common with yugoslavia.
Czechoslovakia is also not comparable to yugoslavia. Though appetite has waned to coaslesce, there was a reasonable portion of the czechoslovakian population who did not desire splitting apart. Indeed, without the EU, we might see more movement towards single statehood even today. Look at the 3 seas initiative as an example.