Okay sure 200 years but you're talking 30 years for a home and entire community to be razed to the ground and redone. This house is 35 years old, it should be torn down in five years? Why?
It looks as though its been extensively renovated though. If those are the original materials then that looks pretty good. In my experience, most of the homes that old are usually falling apart due to lack of upkeep, maintenance and repairs. Whereby when you actually have to do run up a huge renovation bill, at that point- it usually makes better sense for a developer to come across and redevelop the property....case in point - so much of Calgary is already being redeveloped. I'm not saying that it happens the instant a home hits that age but in that neighborhood - you will see it starting to redevelop because the numbers that come across a developer or a homebuilder's desk start to make sense around that age.
It looks as though its been extensively renovated though. If those are the original materials then that looks pretty good. In my experience, most of the homes that old are usually falling apart due to lack of upkeep, maintenance and repairs. Whereby when you actually have to do run up a huge renovation bill, at that point- it usually makes better sense for a developer to come across and redevelop the property....case in point - so much of Calgary is already being redeveloped. I'm not saying that it happens the instant a home hits that age but in that neighborhood - you will see it starting to redevelop because the numbers that come across a developer or a homebuilder's desk start to make sense around that age.
They redevelop to add units or significant square footage.
How many times do you see houses getting torn down and the same type of house going back in?
There are thousands upon thousands of houses older than 30 years in Calgary.
But the AVERAGE Calgarian will not see benefit from the tax dollars going toward this facility. I will see the benefits because I attend games. But MOST people in this city do not because they can't afford it.
The next 3 games has tickets available at $25. That’s comparable to the $20 drop in fee at YMCA which is also built on our tax dollars.
For those that can’t afford even these prices, chances are they aren’t paying meaningful taxes at all, and not affected by the tax burden.
The next 3 games has tickets available at $25. That’s comparable to the $20 drop in fee at YMCA which is also built on our tax dollars.
For those that can’t afford even these prices, chances are they aren’t paying meaningful taxes at all, and not affected by the tax burden.
$25 per ticket, so $100 for a family of four, plus food/drink/parking. So $150-$200 for a night out with resale nosebleeds, ignoring the fact that nosebleeds won’t exist in the arena. Pricey night out for many, many people that pay taxes.
And everybody pays property taxes.
EDIT: just for reference, the cheapest ticket against the Ducks is just over $30 at the Saddledome. For the Oilers vs Ducks game? Just over $80. If y’all think anyone is going to a Flames game for less than that once the new arena arrives you’re dreaming.
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$25 per ticket, so $100 for a family of four, plus food/drink/parking. So $150-$200 for a night out with resale nosebleeds, ignoring the fact that nosebleeds won’t exist in the arena. Pricey night out for many, many people that pay taxes.
And everybody pays property taxes.
EDIT: just for reference, the cheapest ticket against the Ducks is just over $30 at the Saddledome. For the Oilers vs Ducks game? Just over $80. If y’all think anyone is going to a Flames game for less than that once the new arena arrives you’re dreaming.
$200 for a family of 4 in today's world is not expensive. I'd argue thats how much Cactus Club dinner for 4 costs. Apps, Mains, Dessert, Drinks.
$200 for a family of 4 in today's world is not expensive. I'd argue thats how much Cactus Club dinner for 4 costs. Apps, Mains, Dessert, Drinks.
The house age thing is one thing, but you might be too out of touch to reach if you think Cactus Club is what most people consider an affordable night out.
The house age thing is one thing, but you might be too out of touch to reach if you think Cactus Club is what most people consider an affordable night out.
Perhaps you're right.
But I don't go to the game because I think it is an "affordable night out". I consider it splurging on a special night out. Same as with Cactus.
The 300-400 million spent on the rink would have better served a wider demographic in Calgary by expanding transit, building more amateur sports facilities, road infrastructure, social assistance programs, etc, etc etc.
That's all I'm saying. I will personally benefit from this rink. But many (read: most) will not, yet they were asked to forego other public works for this arena that will just make the Flames more money.
But the City end up committed to spending for an arena because it is a public work. The City has decided to make revitalization of the Rivers District and creation of an entertainment district one of its most important priorities and dedicated large amounts of funding to developing it. And where a modern arena with a popular pro sports team is needed for the revitalization to be successful.
$25 per ticket, so $100 for a family of four, plus food/drink/parking. So $150-$200 for a night out with resale nosebleeds, ignoring the fact that nosebleeds won’t exist in the arena. Pricey night out for many, many people that pay taxes.
And everybody pays property taxes.
EDIT: just for reference, the cheapest ticket against the Ducks is just over $30 at the Saddledome. For the Oilers vs Ducks game? Just over $80. If y’all think anyone is going to a Flames game for less than that once the new arena arrives you’re dreaming.
I’m just saying it can be affordable. $25 tickets, c-train to the arena, and happy hour gets you 2 hot dogs and a drink for $12. Of course premium games are going to be expensive, just saying it’s possible for people to go.
And even if that’s too much, wrangler games in lower bowl can be had for $10 resale.
The next 3 games has tickets available at $25. That’s comparable to the $20 drop in fee at YMCA which is also built on our tax dollars.
Family drop in at the YMCA - Two Adults, two children under 17 - is $42.75, there is a discount rate of $29.90 during non-peak hours. Four of the cheaptest tickets to the Saddledome (not the new arena) for the next Flames game is $126.
There's no comparison.
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Family drop in at the YMCA - Two Adults, two children under 17 - is $42.75, there is a discount rate of $29.90 during non-peak hours. Four of the cheaptest tickets to the Saddledome (not the new arena) for the next Flames game is $126.
There's no comparison.
Fansfirst has 4 tickets to flames game at $100. 4 tickets to wranglers game for $60. Comparable.
Family drop in at the YMCA - Two Adults, two children under 17 - is $42.75, there is a discount rate of $29.90 during non-peak hours. Four of the cheaptest tickets to the Saddledome (not the new arena) for the next Flames game is $126.
There's no comparison.
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Fansfirst has 4 tickets to flames game at $100. 4 tickets to wranglers game for $60. Comparable.
What? He literally just posted that a family of four is $29 during off peak and $42 during peak and you counter with $100 for the Flames being comparable? Are you high?
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$25 per ticket, so $100 for a family of four, plus food/drink/parking. So $150-$200 for a night out with resale nosebleeds, ignoring the fact that nosebleeds won’t exist in the arena. Pricey night out for many, many people that pay taxes.
And everybody pays property taxes.
EDIT: just for reference, the cheapest ticket against the Ducks is just over $30 at the Saddledome. For the Oilers vs Ducks game? Just over $80. If y’all think anyone is going to a Flames game for less than that once the new arena arrives you’re dreaming.
Most people don’t live in families of four and are able to exist for 4 hours without buying any food or drinks.
You can make it as cheap or as expensive as you want.
Most people don’t live in families of four and are able to exist for 4 hours without buying any food or drinks.
You can make it as cheap or as expensive as you want.
And most people don’t go to the games. You’re correct though, the average household size is only around 2.6. And people could walk two hours to the arena and two hours home and sit in their nosebleed seat for the entire during of the game and spend not a penny.
But no, it won’t be as cheap as they want, it’ll be as cheap as the cheapest ticket. Which will be going up.
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Fansfirst has 4 tickets to flames game at $100. 4 tickets to wranglers game for $60. Comparable.
We're talking about the Flames. Even the Wranglers are double however. Not comparable.
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Fansfirst has 4 tickets to flames game at $100. 4 tickets to wranglers game for $60. Comparable.
Yes, OK.
But the point of the new arena is so that Murray Edwards can charge double those prices.
So we are giving him taxpayer money so that he can charge us more for entertainment that is generally out of reach for a lot of Calgarians, and even the non-premium games will end up being significantly more.
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$25 per ticket, so $100 for a family of four, plus food/drink/parking. So $150-$200 for a night out with resale nosebleeds, ignoring the fact that nosebleeds won’t exist in the arena. Pricey night out for many, many people that pay taxes.
And everybody pays property taxes.
EDIT: just for reference, the cheapest ticket against the Ducks is just over $30 at the Saddledome. For the Oilers vs Ducks game? Just over $80. If y’all think anyone is going to a Flames game for less than that once the new arena arrives you’re dreaming.
Ah I think I've clued into the conversation a little bit.
Going to a Flames game is not an "affordable" option. It's a discretionary/privileged spend and that has changed worldwide. Have you seen the prices for soccer matches or popular concerts? They start at $400-$500 per ticket. Sports are a privileged luxury now.
Now the argument if Public Dollars are appropriate for such a purpose--- thats a whole different conversation imo and one that comes with its own metrics etc. The number of Calagarians that can make use of the facility itself is just one factor and let me tell you--- it's not the greatest one.
Ah I think I've clued into the conversation a little bit.
Going to a Flames game is not an "affordable" option. It's a discretionary/privileged spend and that has changed worldwide. Have you seen the prices for soccer matches or popular concerts? They start at $400-$500 per ticket. Sports are a privileged luxury now.
Now the argument if Public Dollars are appropriate for such a purpose--- thats a whole different conversation imo and one that comes with its own metrics etc. The number of Calagarians that can make use of the facility itself is just one factor and let me tell you--- it's not the greatest one.
Soccer matches certainly aren't.
You can go to Premier League games (the best and most popular soccer league in the world) for $30. Many Euro leagues are like this.
Even major tournaments like the Euros or World Cup have ticket tiers that are in the 50 euro range. I looked at going to the World Cup Final in Russia in 2018 and the best (non-secondary market) ticket was about 900 euros. The WC final is the single biggest sporting event in the world. Estimates of 1.5 billion people watch.
