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Old 01-11-2025, 06:41 PM   #161
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When you're given harder minutes, on a team that isn't great, your stats are going to worsen.
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Old 01-11-2025, 06:43 PM   #162
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When you're given harder minutes, on a team that isn't great, your stats are going to worsen.
Keep going. I guess last year we had scrubs as well. Didn’t trade most until March yet his numbers still went down.

Read what I wrote.
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Old 01-11-2025, 07:09 PM   #163
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Keep going. I guess last year we had scrubs as well. Didn’t trade most until March yet his numbers still went down.

Read what I wrote.
Change 'I' to 'everyone' and maybe take your own advice
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Old 01-11-2025, 10:45 PM   #164
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I don’t think signing anderson is a bad idea. He’s definitely a leader on the team
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They probably should trade him at some point, but that point should be when they get an acceptable offer. If they don't, I'm not panicking. Every rebuilding team keeps a few vets around.
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Lebrun: Flames not interested in trading Andersson

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Old 01-14-2025, 04:53 PM   #168
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I agree with trying to retain him for the right price. I think his game will age well as he is a very composed dman with high hockey IQ. He has been very durable, with only having one season playing less than 70 games since becoming a full time NHLer while playing huge minutes. He will also potentially make a great defensive partner and mentor for guys like Parekh, Mews, Morin and others in the coming years.

I think there is an added importance in retaining players that have been drafted and developed in the franchise to pass down some core leadership values to the next crop. We had Iggy, Gio (not drafted), Backlund, and I think Rasmus is that natural successor to become captain. Trading Rasmus would devoid the franchise one of its last few remaining veterans that were drafted and developed by the team and that means more than it seems I think.

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Old 01-14-2025, 04:56 PM   #169
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I agree with trying to retain him for the right price. I think his game will age well as he is a very composed dman with high hockey IQ. He has been very durable, with only having one season playing less than 70 games since becoming a full time NHLer. He will also make a great partner and mentor for guys like Parekh, Mews, Morin and others in the coming years.
It's all about dollars. We know that it will be 8 years, but it is the dollar figure. If he wants an overpay to stay, then trade him like the other FAs last year. If he wants a reasonable cap-hit then it is not terrible to retain him as a veteran presence with Weegar for other younger players to play with.
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Old 01-14-2025, 05:39 PM   #170
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It it's 8 years, it has to be a bit team-friendly, because he will likely be less effective toward the end of the contract, and it is longer than another team could offer. 8 X $7.5M adds up to a $60M retirement contract. Another team offering a 7-year contract would have to pay $8.57M AAV for the same total contract value.
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Old 01-14-2025, 05:49 PM   #171
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It it's 8 years, it has to be a bit team-friendly, because he will likely be less effective toward the end of the contract, and it is longer than another team could offer. 8 X $7.5M adds up to a $60M retirement contract. Another team offering a 7-year contract would have to pay $8.57M AAV for the same total contract value.
I don’t even require a team discount to keep him. Just not an overpay to keep him. Treliving had to do that for several players (Markstrom, Coleman, Brouwer and Neal). Out-bidding other teams with extra years and higher salary to get them stay.
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Old 01-14-2025, 06:02 PM   #172
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In assessing an Anderson signing, I think people have to consider how a vet like Backlund has helped multiple forwards develop and grow their games in the NHL. Even before he was team captain, he had the seniority and experience to help the younger players.

Rasmus is our equivalent on the defensive end. We need an effective player with seniority on the back-end to help the young defensemen who we expect to arrive in the next couple of years.

If Rasmus wants to extend, it works for me.
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Old 01-14-2025, 06:04 PM   #173
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If what LeBrun said is closer to the truth than not, theyay have to look into trading Weegar. No way they're going to roadblock the incoming talent on the right side.

Then again the other side of the Equation is what does Rasmus Andersson want to do, hopefully he's upfront and honest with them before it's too late.

I said it a couple of days ago and it's worth repeating, the Flames will hang onto hope of signing Andersson until the last possible minute before move him. Hello '26 TDL day prize .
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I'm not against re-signing him.

But not even being open to listening is a mistake.

There should be no untouchables
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We have Weegar we don’t need 100 vets on the roster. Look at Chicago and how well that is going.

Andersson is our best trade chip. Sure hold on to him until the draft but singing another 30 year old retirement contract tells me they are unserious about a real rebuild. Trading him keeps the constant flow of picks coming in plus another asset and you can look at free agency for stop gaps to fill in until some of the prospects are ready.
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If what LeBrun said is closer to the truth than not, theyay have to look into trading Weegar. No way they're going to roadblock the incoming talent on the right side.

Then again the other side of the Equation is what does Rasmus Andersson want to do, hopefully he's upfront and honest with them before it's too late.

I said it a couple of days ago and it's worth repeating, the Flames will hang onto hope of signing Andersson until the last possible minute before move him. Hello '26 TDL day prize .
Weegar plays the left side just fine. Definitely not a concern really.
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Right now, Andersson is an A+ trade asset. An A++ asset with retention. The second you sign him to a long-term deal, his value immediately tanks (I know the point is to keep him in that scenario, duh, but still).

Then you have Andersson & Weegar as right-shots with Parekh, Mews and Bru as big Top 4 hopes on the right-side being potentially blocked.

Andersson could potentially be turned into multiple Grade A assets that help elsewhere in the lineup (specifically C/forwards). Plus I know he's past his "nutrition/fitness issues", but who's to say once the final contract is locked up, he doesn't fall back into those habits? I know he's super competitive, but even if that's unlikely to happen, that's the type of player that seems a bit more risky locking up.

His 7 points his last 31 games hasn't been all that impressive either, and he has also been among the worst D-men on the team in that timeframe in all his Rel CF/FF/SCF/xGF/GF%/etc.. in that time frame. Not to mention his history of up-and-down seasons.

The Flames could easily use their cap space the new few years to plug in another quality top 4 D-man through UFA if they need to. A good plug while the young guys develop (and while the assets that Andersson turned into developed) and then could be flipped easily as well.

Instead, we'll have 4 30+ year olds on long-term deals while also hoping our new core is good enough to be better than them and push the team to Contention status?

Just seems so short-sighted to me.
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We have Weegar we don’t need 100 vets on the roster. Look at Chicago and how well that is going.

Andersson is our best trade chip. Sure hold on to him until the draft but singing another 30 year old retirement contract tells me they are unserious about a real rebuild. Trading him keeps the constant flow of picks coming in plus another asset and you can look at free agency for stop gaps to fill in until some of the prospects are ready.
Flames have 2 Veteran D-men. That’s a non issue. If you can get a young center for Andersson, trade him. If not, sign him.
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I'm not against re-signing him.

But not even being open to listening is a mistake.

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Pretty disappointing to hear if true.

Andersson the real test for me to see how serious they are about rebuilding and being ahead of the curve in managing assets.

We will see what happens but signing him would put a dagger in the excitement of a rebuild and just keep on same old same old.
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Then you have Andersson & Weegar as right-shots with Parekh, Mews and Bru as big Top 4 hopes on the right-side being potentially blocked.

Andersson could potentially be turned into multiple Grade A assets that help elsewhere in the lineup (specifically C/forwards). Plus I know he's past his "nutrition/fitness issues", but who's to say once the final contract is locked up, he doesn't fall back into those habits? I know he's super competitive, but even if that's unlikely to happen, that's the type of player that seems a bit more risky locking up.

His 7 points his last 31 games hasn't been all that impressive either, and he has also been among the worst D-men on the team in that timeframe in all his Rel CF/FF/SCF/xGF/GF%/etc.. in that time frame. Not to mention his history of up-and-down seasons.
Few issues here.

For one, Weegar can play the left side, so it’s not much of an issue. And having Parekh, Mews, and Brzu needed top four minutes is an amazing problem to have. One that realistically we probably won’t have. But it’s a problem pretty easy to solve 3-4 years from now if it is a problem.

Two, he had fitness issues 8+ years ago and has shown zero sign of those issues since. There is literally no reason to even bring it up unless you’re reaching to discredit him.

Three, you can’t have it both ways. Either he can bring back multiple A+ assets or he’s as unimpressive and risky a signing as you say. If someone on a message board can think of all these reasons why he isn’t worth re-signing, you can pretty much guarantee GMs and their teams have a dozen more reasons and the offer for Ras will match. So which is it?
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