Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Snowflakes get scared of even a slight mention of Carney proposing to run for the leadership.

Hahahahahaha

God damn snowflakes.

I believe he is definitely the best candidate for the Liberals, and of all the potential candidates, I believe he would bring the most votes back to the Liberal party in the next election.

Well, I believed that before this new information surfaced.

Scared? Naw.

But don’t kid yourself, there is no ‘slight mention’, he is running. Unless this deters his backers.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Slava

Is the "he had a photo taken in proximity of someone deplorable" really a game the conservatives want to be playing?

It was probably leaked by one of the other Liberal candidates. If you don’t believe there is internal competition for the leadership of the party, you are mistaken.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Funny, I didn’t expect that to change your mind about him anyways.

I hadn't made my mind up about him at all, but now I know the whacko right is terrified enough of him to come out with slander and innuendo, he's probably a major threat.

Do you have anything more beyond these pictures, any hint at all that Carney was a user of their services?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Carney is terrible.

He's one of the architects of the carbon tax regime. He's using Gerald Butts (!) as his chief political advisor.

Also central bankers shouldn't be running for office.

What does architect of the Carbon Tax mean? Carbon taxes started in right wing think tanks as an alternative to Cap and trade systems. They are generally thought to be less damaging than cap and trade. If you want to have an architect of the Carbon Tax you might go back to Stelmech in Alberta who started Carbon pricing in Canada and whose system was quite similar to the industrial Carbon tax in Canada.

In 2018 the liberals passed the Carbon Tax, Carney was governor of the Bank of England from 2013 - 2020. So can you walk me through this point.

What’s your objection to Bankers running as politicians, I assume you also didn’t like Drama teachers.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Carney is terrible.

He's one of the architects of the carbon tax regime. He's using Gerald Butts (!) as his chief political advisor.

Also central bankers shouldn't be running for office.

Just curious, who's on your not terrible list?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I hadn't made my mind up about him at all, but now I know the whacko right is terrified enough of him to come out with slander and innuendo, he's probably a major threat.

Do you have anything more beyond these pictures, any hint at all that Carney was a user of their services?

I think he's the best candidate, the outsider angle is key. Everyone saw what happened to Kamala and how she couldn't distance herself from the administration? Would the same thing happen to Freeland? She's definitely already #### on Trudeau so that's different but it can't be a 100% break. Christy Clark is the other outsider from the administration, that would be politician against economist.

However, it's all about campaigning right?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Does Carney not give people some wonky, awkward Ignatieff vibes? None of which is a problem for me, but certainly was a problem for getting Ignatieff votes.

[SeeGeeWhy]

I heard in the Orange Julius line that they’re thinking about running him in Edmonton Centre. Presser to kick it off on Thursday, may or may not involve cowboy hat and boots. Boy howdy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Does Carney not give people some wonky, awkward Ignatieff vibes? None of which is a problem for me, but certainly was a problem for getting Ignatieff votes.

This is certainly my biggest concern for his success. The current populist environment will be a challange for the most establishment a candidate can be. He is literally a globalist banker.

[Fuzz]

Ignatieff's problem were his behaviours and the way he spoke just gave off this out of touch vibe. He had all the charisma of a soggy bagel. I don't really get that from Carney.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I heard in the Orange Julius line that they’re thinking about running him in Edmonton Centre. Presser to kick it off on Thursday, may or may not involve cowboy hat and boots. Boy howdy.

Edmonton Centre seems like a big gamble. Randy B. won his seat by 600 votes but he has damaged the Liberal brand along side the general damage inflicted by Trudeau. I don't know if the voters there will be too excited to get behind the new Liberal leader. Also, Wikipedia shows that since the last election that riding has had it's boundaries redrawn and if the the votes from the last election were tallied based on the new boundaries the Conservative candidate would have won.

[sa226]

Typically Canada is a cycle or two behind the US, but it seems that time gap is getting tighter and tighter. With Canada being fairly prominent in the American news cycle these days, I'd say that was pretty smart for Carney to go on the Daily show. It begs the question of, if he's not going to run, whats the point? He's not even an elected official at this point.

What I don't know or understand is if a loss in a federal election is too much of a stain on a party leader. The conservatives are a scary runaway freight train at this point, so if you see yourself as the future of the liberal party, why throw your hat in the ring for an eventual loss?

But at a time when the liberal party is pretty rotten to the core, bringing in a bit of an outsider is probably a smart move.

Anything to limit the damage of the Temu Trump.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Does Carney not give people some wonky, awkward Ignatieff vibes? None of which is a problem for me, but certainly was a problem for getting Ignatieff votes.

In a world of Trumps, there is some desire for a wonky nerd

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by sa226

Typically Canada is a cycle or two behind the US, but it seems that time gap is getting tighter and tighter. With Canada being fairly prominent in the American news cycle these days, I'd say that was pretty smart for Carney to go on the Daily show. It begs the question of, if he's not going to run, whats the point? He's not even an elected official at this point.

What I don't know or understand is if a loss in a federal election is too much of a stain on a party leader. The conservatives are a scary runaway freight train at this point, so if you see yourself as the future of the liberal party, why throw your hat in the ring for an eventual loss?

But at a time when the liberal party is pretty rotten to the core, bringing in a bit of an outsider is probably a smart move.

Anything to limit the damage of the Temu Trump.

Mark Carney was going to run for Liberal Leadership immediately after Justin Trudeau stepped down or was defeated in an election. This has been choreographed since he started posting tweets of himself on the BBQ circuit in both official languages last summer. He's 59 years old and being PM of Canada is clearly his personal ambition. There isn't time in his working years to sit this one out, run again next time, win and be PM for 10 years. He's 100% running right here and right now. I anticipate he will have the best chance of not only beating Freeland for LPC leader but also the CPC in an election.

As far as whether he can win or not in the next election is entirely if the electorate simply only hated Trudeau's personality or if they also hated his policies because Carney is completely the ideological successor to Trudeau.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Cappy

In a world of Trumps, there is some desire for a wonky nerd

I long for the day where politics goes back to being a game for the boring nerdy administrators rather than the ego obsessed blowhards. Unfortunately I don't think this is that day.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Snowflakes get scared of even a slight mention of Carney proposing to run for the leadership.

Hahahahahaha

God damn snowflakes.

Not arguing the merits of Carney’s ability to lead the party or how the snowflakes are responding, but saying “slight mention of Carney proposing to run for the leadership” is also pretty hyperbolic.

You don’t go on a very popular fairly liberal American talk show with millions of viewers unless are almost 100% running and you really want the exposure.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I long for the day where politics goes back to being a game for the boring nerdy administrators rather than the ego obsessed blowhards. Unfortunately I don't think this is that day.

I question if that's even possible in the post-smart phone era. People under 40 years old now a days almost solely get their news from some form of social media. Therefore step 1 for being a viable candidate in any democratic election is being able to drive engagement in enough of the electorate from their content or from associated influencers. It's almost a prerequisite for that to be a raging blowhard narcissist.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Carney is absolutely terrifying for right wingers because he can actually win.

I’m sure they’ll eventually come up with an angle that makes sense, but the flaccid punch of “uh… uh… he kind of helped design the carbon tax!!!” isn’t going to cut it.

LOL the delusion and desperation is insane...

Meanwhile...in reality land for most Canadians:

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

This is the first 338Canada aggregate poll a week since Trudeau's resignation, and the CPC is...gaining even more momentum.

Currently CPC aggregate is 45%, the highest ever, and seats projected is 237, also highest ever. This is getting into territory of potentially beating Mulroney and Mackenzie King in biggest landslide in seat % in Canadian history.

The "Trudeau resigning will make Poilievre lose sleep" narrative continuously projected by a few delusional posters was quite the fantasy. Now it's turned to "Carney will make Poilievre lose sleep" as the first narrative collapsed. It turns out Canadian anger was not reserved to just Trudeau (or it being a messaging issue)

Speaking of...what the heck is happening to the NDP? Liberals have gained a bit of ground, but it was all at the expense of the NDP who is now projected to get their lowest seat total since 2004. Bold strategy to have the Liberals have time to fix their leadership issues at their own detriment while still having Singh as leader.

Carney is the right leader at the wrong time. In an alternate time frame, I would likely vote for him.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

LOL the delusion and desperation is insane...

Meanwhile...in reality land for most Canadians:

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

This is the first 338Canada aggregate poll a week since Trudeau's resignation, and the CPC is...gaining even more momentum.

Currently CPC aggregate is 45%, the highest ever, and seats projected is 237, also highest ever. This is getting into territory of potentially beating Mulroney and Mackenzie King in biggest landslide in seat % in Canadian history.

The "Trudeau resigning will make Poilievre lose sleep" narrative continuously projected by a few delusional posters was quite the fantasy. Now it's turned to "Carney will make Poilievre lose sleep" as the first narrative collapsed. It turns out Canadian anger was not reserved to just Trudeau (or it being a messaging issue)

Speaking off...what the heck is happening to the NDP? Liberals have gained a bit of ground, but it was all at the expense of the NDP who is now projected to get their lowest seat total since 2004. Bold strategy to have the Liberals have time to fix their leadership issues at their own detriment while still having Singh as leader.

Carney is the right leader at the wrong time. In an alternate time frame, I would likely vote for him.

It's a good thing the election isn't today then, before Carney has even entered the race.

I think this is an important bit (hidden under the blackout text) that should make Conservatives a bit nervous.

Accessible Voters – Asked whether they would consider voting for each of the federal parties, 45.8 per cent would consider voting Liberal, while 40.6 per cent of Canadians say they would consider voting Conservative. Four in ten (38.7%) would consider voting NDP, 31.7 per cent would consider voting Green, 9.4 per cent would consider voting for the People’s Party and 42.2 per cent would consider voting for the BQ

Though I'd maybe caution about that text? Under the other black box it says:

Qualities of a Good Political Leader – More than half of Canadians (54.1%) believe J Singh has the qualities of a good political leader while 48.9 per cent believe Justin Trudeau has the qualities of a good political leader. Four in ten (40.1%) believe Andrew Scheer has the qualities of a good political leader, while 36.3 per cent say the same about Elizabeth May. One in seven (14.3%) believe Bernier has the qualities of a good political leader 51.1 per cent said Blanchet has the qualities of a good political leader (QC only).

https://nanos.co/wp-content/uploads/...OR-RELEASE.pdf

So either the Andrew Scheer bit is a typo, or it's old. Though I do find other sites referencing the numbers in the first quote.

Anyway, if the first bit is true, the Liberals have a lot of room to move up. It would be nice to know the undecided from these types of polls. I suspect the decide Conservative voter is pretty set, whereas everyone else is behaving rationally by waiting to see what the playing field looks like.

[sa226]

I still think the Canadian appetite for Trump style politics is much lower than the United States. But I don't have my own internal polling so I could be way off.

I just find it curious why Pollieve is leaning so hard into the far right talking points. I think it gives undecided voters some pause. Waiting to see what the other options are. If he just ran on "change" I think he would wrap this up pretty easily. Instead he's showing us who he really is at a time when Canadians are a bit put off with Trump style politics.