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Old 01-13-2025, 11:39 AM   #3621
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Obama is a man though
Yes, Barack is a real man—athletic and fit. Thank you for acknowledging that.
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Old 01-13-2025, 11:51 AM   #3622
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Perhaps you could provide a source for these two please.

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I’m not sure what the second statement means so…

I do agree the rhetoric gets out of hand here. People throw the word traitor out there way too often.

I hope Smith is there to do good things for Alberta. She can obviously be persuasive with like-minded individuals, and Trump is a big, fat idiot.
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Old 01-13-2025, 11:55 AM   #3623
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Don’t forget Obama. Also a vile, repugnant person - I thought he was decent, until I saw him joking around with Trump.
It's mostly the disgusting things she says and her mentality that make her repugnant, independent of who she "jokes around" with. Just something about her in close proximity with the orange clown than ups the ante and makes her even more repulsive.
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Old 01-13-2025, 11:58 AM   #3624
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It sounds like from Smith's comments that there are no indications that Trump is going to make any exceptions. She said we need to prepare for the tariffs starting immediately after he is inaugurated. Maybe he changes his mind last minute I guess.

FWIW, Alberta and Ontario have several international trade offices around the world. including ones in Washington, D.C., maybe other provinces do as well. It's not out of the ordinary for provinces to negotiate outside of the federal government. The premiere doing in person might not be that common though.
Of course Trump is going to say that.
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Alberta has a DC office.

I don't mind her going down and advocating for Alberta and Canada in regards to the Tariff threat; but there is every indication that she is there merely for the benefit of Alberta PNG which i don't agree with.

Canada needs to be united on this issue. We carry a ton of weight in US trade across all the provinces, not just Alberta PNG. We hold more power when we bring everyone as a united front.

Her comments about a national identity crisis is 100% undermining our position as a country and shows she is only interested in getting Alberta a break on PNG and nothing else. She is the weak link in these negotiations and can be easily infiltrated and taken advantage of by the US.
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Was about to say. Seeking a waiver from the upcoming tariffs would be the highest value item piece of business she could possibly do for the Province of Alberta at this time.

With the federal politics in shambles at the moment there's a massive leadership vacuum on this issue and highlighting a more nuanced take on the North American energy implications of the tariff is a prudent thing to do. Melanie Joly is proposing cutting off energy exports to the U.S. That both reckless and actually ignorant of Canada's own best interest because Line 5 and line 9 actually supply Ontario and Quebec but passes through Michigan.
Has she said this specifically? I had thought she had said "everything is on the table" which to me, is a far more useful negotiating tactic than saying the thing they need most, with the most leverage, is off the table. No?
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We should place a tariff on the US if they allow Smith back into Canada.
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Alberta has a DC office.

I don't mind her going down and advocating for Alberta and Canada in regards to the Tariff threat; but there is every indication that she is there merely for the benefit of Alberta PNG which i don't agree with.

Canada needs to be united on this issue. We carry a ton of weight in US trade across all the provinces, not just Alberta PNG. We hold more power when we bring everyone as a united front.

Her comments about a national identity crisis is 100% undermining our position as a country and shows she is only interested in getting Alberta a break on PNG and nothing else. She is the weak link in these negotiations and can be easily infiltrated and taken advantage of by the US.
Yes, unity is/was the key here.

Ultimately, she's doing a good thing trying to talk them out of tariffs. But it should have been a united delegation going. Not just her.
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So is she there advocating or is she there negotiating?

Because as a premier she doesn’t have anything to negotiate with.
There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not Smith is undermining the negotiating efforts, or whether she has anything to negotiate.

Which is it, because it can't be both.

If she can undermine something, then she has something with which to negotiate.
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There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not Smith is undermining the negotiating efforts, or whether she has anything to negotiate.

Which is it, because it can't be both.

If she can undermine something, then she has something with which to negotiate.
You understand a person can undermine the efforts of others, while also not having the authority to negotiate anything of value, right?
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she is only interested in getting Alberta a break on PNG and nothing else.
There is nothing wrong with this. If the rest of Canada has nothing of value to take into negotiations, that's their fault.

If the rest of Canada's negotiating position is "we have Alberta", then they are saying the quiet part out loud.

Alberta is in an amazing position here and Smith is doing a great job pressing that advantage. She should push even more to utilize Alberta's importance in terms of negotiating an improved deal with the rest of Canada. Trump's position is a gift to Alberta's leverage over the rest of Canada, and I expect Smith to make use of it.
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You understand a person can undermine the efforts of others, while also not having the authority to negotiate anything of value, right?
Au contraire, my sweet summer child. If you can negotiate a good position for yourself, which in this case is maintaining status quo, and it results in a cost to a third party (the rest of Canada), then you certainly have something of value.
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There is nothing wrong with this. If the rest of Canada has nothing of value to take into negotiations, that's their fault.

If the rest of Canada's negotiating position is "we have Alberta", then they are saying the quiet part out loud.

Alberta is in an amazing position here and Smith is doing a great job pressing that advantage. She should push even more to utilize Alberta's importance in terms of negotiating an improved deal with the rest of Canada. Trump's position is a gift to Alberta's leverage over the rest of Canada, and I expect Smith to make use of it.
Why do you hate Canada so much?
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Au contraire, my sweet summer child. If you can negotiate a good position for yourself, which in this case is maintaining status quo, and it results in a cost to a third party (the rest of Canada), then you certainly have something of value.
So you disagree when Smith said we should expect tariffs? Why is costing the rest of Canada valuable? Are you a traitor, too?
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Au contraire, my sweet summer child. If you can negotiate a good position for yourself, which in this case is maintaining status quo, and it results in a cost to a third party (the rest of Canada), then you certainly have something of value.
How the F is the rest of Canada a third party? Albertans are a part of Canada and obviously have significant interests in protecting Canada's interests. How does one separate ones' interests as an Albertan from ones' interests as a Canadian in circumstances like this? Seems totally impossible.
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Why do you hate Canada so much?
Would you like a spreadsheet, a list, or would you like the reasons categorized by chapter?

For an extra fee, I can publish it bound as a hardcover.
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Would you like a spreadsheet, a list, or would you like the reasons categorized by chapter?

For an extra fee, I can publish it bound as a hardcover.
Yikes.
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Would you like a spreadsheet, a list, or would you like the reasons categorized by chapter?

For an extra fee, I can publish it bound as a hardcover.
If you hate Canada so much, why don't you leave? Border isn't far, and I hear there is a land of perfection with everything you want in it just south of us.
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Au contraire, my sweet summer child. If you can negotiate a good position for yourself, which in this case is maintaining status quo, and it results in a cost to a third party (the rest of Canada), then you certainly have something of value.
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It really doesn't even matter. These were her comments after, as per NP.https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...danielle-smith


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Smith, who said she attended Trump’s Saturday soirée as a guest of celebrity investor and former Conservative party leadership candidate Kevin O’Leary, described her conversations with Trump as “constructive,” but also seemed resigned that, come Jan. 20, Trump will be going ahead with tariffs, regardless of what Canadian politicians do. She said that she is “not expecting” Alberta oil to be exempted from the Trump administration’s tariffs, although she remains hopeful that the United States will want to purchase more oil from Canada for its refineries in the Midwest. “I haven’t seen any indication in any of the president’s public commentary, or even in the comments that he had with me, that he’s inclined to change his approach,” Smith said.
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