Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Any attempt to touch Alberta's energy exports will result in an immediate constitutional crisis according to Smith.

This is where I think Smith is undermining the Canadian annd Albertan Interests. If she is suggesting that Canada can’t tarrif or stop exports she is taking the nuclear lever off the table.

Canada should be presenting a coordinated united front here rather than Quebec and Alberta undermining the negotiating position publicly.

She should be saying we want to do everything we can to avoid banning exports but we will if we have too.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

What a vile evil thing to say

Sorry snowflake. Take the L.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Torture

This is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your sentence.

Can't believe that Smith went down to meet Trump with Kevin ####ing O'Leary. Undermine the whole ####ing country to protect O&G. This is perfect for Trump if he truly does want Canada. Divide and conquer baby. Canadians should be furious.

My response was to the claim that the federal gov't can levy taxes on Alberta oil exports. If they tried, then that would immediately initiate a constitutional crisis, as that is within Smith's power to do.

In terms of "the whole country" and "divide a conquer", well that is already a massive problem. Alberta has been treated antagonistically by the rest of Canada for generations, has suffered from a poorly constructed democratic system which subjects the province to the tyranny of the majority in central Canada, and has had to contribute substantially more into the equalization coffers. It seems ironic and hilarious that now Canadians are talking about "unity".

Smith's job is to represent Alberta to the best of her abilities. If the rest of Canada wants to use Alberta oil as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations with the US, then Alberta should use this an an opportunity to negotiate with the rest of Canada in response. If I were Smith, I would tell Canada that they can put export taxes on Alberta oil temporarily, but in exchange, Alberta gets a resource corridor to each coast, which is not subject to First Nations regulatory appeal, and which is subject to Alberta environmental regulations.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Attacks on our industries.

I doubt her plan is to separate. Segregate maybe.

Segregation will just make it worse.

If resource extraction is seen as a win for individual provinces but not for Canada as a whole, the rest of Canada will continue to say "no thanks" to the infrastructure that needs to cut across their land to make it happen, as they perceive nothing in it for them.

I fully realize that perception isn't correct, but there is still a major difference between something like Norway's national oil fund and Alberta's Heritage Fund, for example.

[Johnny Makarov]

O'Leary is hilarious. Made his millions selling his 3rdrate Kumon kyit to a corporation.

The only thing he is good for is providing laughs on Dragons den and shark tank with his stupid takes.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is where I think Smith is undermining the Canadian annd Albertan Interests. If she is suggesting that Canada can’t tarrif or stop exports she is taking the nuclear lever off the table.

Canada should be presenting a coordinated united front here rather than Quebec and Alberta undermining the negotiating position publicly.

She should be saying we want to do everything we can to avoid banning exports but we will if we have too.

I think my response above is suitable. If Canada wants to use Alberta oil as a bargaining chip in the name of "unity", then Alberta should use that leverage to maximal effect in negotiating with the rest of Canada. In fact, this may be the single best opportunity for Alberta to renegotiate its place in Confederation.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If I were Smith, I would tell Canada that they can put export taxes on Alberta oil temporarily, but in exchange, Alberta gets a resource corridor to each coast, which is not subject to First Nations regulatory appeal, and which is subject to Alberta environmental regulations.

Speaking of constitutional crises...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

My response was to the claim that the federal gov't can levy taxes on Alberta oil exports. If they tried, then that would immediately initiate a constitutional crisis, as that is within Smith's power to do.

In terms of "the whole country" and "divide a conquer", well that is already a massive problem. Alberta has been treated antagonistically by the rest of Canada for generations, has suffered from a poorly constructed democratic system which subjects the province to the tyranny of the majority in central Canada, and has had to contribute substantially more into the equalization coffers. It seems ironic and hilarious that now Canadians are talking about "unity".

Smith's job is to represent Alberta to the best of her abilities. If the rest of Canada wants to use Alberta oil as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations with the US, then Alberta should use this an an opportunity to negotiate with the rest of Canada in response. If I were Smith, I would tell Canada that they can put export taxes on Alberta oil temporarily, but in exchange, Alberta gets a resource corridor to each coast, which is not subject to First Nations regulatory appeal, and which is subject to Alberta environmental regulations.

Good lord, the persecution complex is pathetic. Sad.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Attacks on our industries.

I doubt her plan is to separate. Segregate maybe.

Do you mean like the current scenario where, thanks to federal spending and initiative, we have the TMX expansion completed, and we've literally never had higher production of energy? It's almost like the federal government is working with the province and not against us...

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Slava

Do you mean like the current scenario where, thanks to federal spending and initiative, we have the TMX expansion completed, and we've literally never had higher production of energy? It's almost like the federal government is working with the province and not against us...

The reason the feds had to do TMX is because they killed it first.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good lord, the persecution complex is pathetic. Sad.

And yet, there is so much whining and sniveling about Alberta's actions this week.

Smith's mandate is to extract as much out of Alberta's relationship with the rest of Canada as she can. No shame in that. If you didn't want provinces to treat each other like counterparties, then we should have done a much better job setting up the country.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I think my response above is suitable. If Canada wants to use Alberta oil as a bargaining chip in the name of "unity", then Alberta should use that leverage to maximal effect in negotiating with the rest of Canada. In fact, this may be the single best opportunity for Alberta to renegotiate its place in Confederation.

That would be easy.

I think the Feds can rely on the fact that, while Alberta Oil production is it's jurisdiction, the trade of that production over international borders is a fed issue.

Constitutional crisis that is an easy win for the Feds.

She is just like Trump. All bluster; doesnt mind wasting our tax dollars on crappy legal arguments, while trying to lick the boots of her own personal freedom hero.

It's amazing that we had hundreds of hours of her thoughts on recorded via radio and people still thought she was a good person to lead this provine.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cappy

That would be easy.

I think the Feds can rely on the fact that, while Alberta Oil production is it's jurisdiction, the trade of that production over international borders is a fed issue.

Constitutional crisis that is an easy win for the Feds.

She is just like Trump. All bluster; doesnt mind wasting our tax dollars on crappy legal arguments, while trying to lick the boots of her own personal freedom hero.

It's amazing that we had hundreds of hours of her thoughts on recorded via radio and people still thought she was a good person to lead this provine.

$29 million to patrol a border that’s outside of Alberta’s jurisdiction, and thus, has no ability to patrol. Genius.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The reason the feds had to do TMX is because they killed it first.

And if they wanted to kill Oil and Gas and attack Alberta or whatever nonsense you're arguing, they would have left it dead.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Torture

And if they wanted to kill Oil and Gas and attack Alberta or whatever nonsense you're arguing, they would have left it dead.

Bolevi. another maga resurrected from the dead after Trump won...

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The reason the feds had to do TMX is because they killed it first.

They killed Nothern Gateway as well, why didn't they 'do' that?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Bolevi. another maga resurrected from the dead after Trump won...

Stupidity is hip and cool right now.

[Torture]

Man these arguments just go in circles don't they?

Smith does something that seems outrageous. 'BUT TRUDEAU WANTS TO KILL ALBERTA AND OIL AND GAS'

Somehow this is a get out of jail card for anything and everything Smith does is okay because 10 years ago Northern Gateway and Energy East were cancelled - both of which probably wouldn't have been built because they were flawed projects. Repeat the same flawed arguments for equalization. Or the Carbon Tax. Or CPP. Or Quebec.

We get it. You're angry. It's not fair. Trudeau sucks. Alberta is the best province and we get treated unfairly because everybody is jealous. Quebec gets pandered to. O&G is life.
None of this has anything to do with Smith 'negotiating' with the man that is musing about annexing the entire country or makes it okay in any way.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

And yet, there is so much whining and sniveling about Alberta's actions this week.

Smith's mandate is to extract as much out of Alberta's relationship with the rest of Canada as she can. No shame in that. If you didn't want provinces to treat each other like counterparties, then we should have done a much better job setting up the country.

That isn’t her mandate.

Her mandate is to act in the best interests of Albertans.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sorry snowflake. Take the d.

Is this a homophobic slang? If so, please remove it.

That’s pretty low, even for you.