Half year player projections and player grades

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

On the Flames? Agreed. Put him in FLA and I bet he'd get there or be really close.

Florida plays the Sutter brand so I don’t know.

[dino7c]

imagine giving Bahl and Huberdeau a D

BAHL IS 24

[transplant99]

since november 24th, huberdeau has more goals than mikko rantanen, david pastrnak, william nylander, sam reinhart, matthew tkachuk, and kyle connor in less games.

d.

[Goriders]

More or less agree with your list other than Pachal and Pospisil. I would give them B+ based on expectations.

[taxbuster]

My thoughts:
FBI - possibly a bit high on the coaching side, but I'm pretty OK with the player ratings, though with Kadri it would be nice to have a bracket depending on which Naz shows up in any given moment.


Comix: pretty harsh on Huby. He isn't responsible for his salary. Based on play, and compared to engagement with other players, a B or so is not unreasonable. Would we like more? Sure...but you can't rate him based on a salary he didn't set.


Harsh on Bahl too...I think he's been surprisingly reliable.


Given the incredible ups and downs ALL players have had this year (and sometimes the entire team as a group!), with some exceptions, coming up with one rating for them is pretty tough. Coleman has been lights out some games and invisible in others; Raz similarly...there's games you love him and games where he just farts around on the PP and in the back end. Hard to rate overall.


Any way you cut it though, as a group, it's surprising that they're only a single point out of a WC spot given what we all expected. How management decides to proceed will make for interesting entertainment here on CP.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

B:
Pelletier: Would be a C, but I think he stepped up last night and that's not insignificant. His play has been trending in the right direction.

D:
Bahl: Big, and has shown strengths, but ultimately I'm left questioning if he's a Top-4 on a good team. I think he's a bottom pair guy. Bahl + Pachal would be a good 3rd pair

Huberdeau: 60 point pace, $10.5M will never be acceptable. Yes, this is the best he's looked but it's still nowhere near good enough. He is producing at 60% of what his salary dictates he should be. When you look at him and his salary vs. the league, there's just no downplaying this. If he can get this to a 70 point pace, he'll be a "C".

da fuk?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

da fuk?

Huberdeau rated against his salary.

Pelletier rated against the fact that he had one good game.

Megamind stuff.

[Hackey]

How do you not rate a player relative to their salary? Isn't that exactly how you determine if someone is having a successful season?

[ComixZone]

Team is mid as hell. Better give everyone a participation A or B - or so says the same group of critics who don’t actually bring their own opinions to the table, just critique others.

Huberdeau makes $10.5M, is on pace for 60 points on a team that is on pace to finish what? 17th?

Give that man a raise, honour him as forever a Flame, and give him an A+.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

How do you not rate a player relative to their salary? Isn't that exactly how you determine if someone is having a successful season?

I would rate them against expectations, but that's just me. Nothing can be done about his salary, it's a sunk cost. And it isn't his fault.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Team is mid as hell. Better give everyone a participation A or B - or so says the same group of critics who don’t actually bring their own opinions to the table, just critique others.

Huberdeau makes $10.5M, is on pace for 60 points on a team that is on pace to finish what? 17th?

Give that man a raise, honour him as forever a Flame, and give him an A+.

Why bother with that crap? The OP wasn't rating the team, they were rating the players individually. If you're just going to start and end with "i think the team is mid as hell", why bother doing any ratings at all.

Some of you are so desperate to #### on the team, you just can't let any positive comments get by, can you?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Team is mid as hell. Better give everyone a participation A or B - or so says the same group of critics who don’t actually bring their own opinions to the table, just critique others.

Huberdeau makes $10.5M, is on pace for 60 points on a team that is on pace to finish what? 17th?

Give that man a raise, honour him as forever a Flame, and give him an A+.

I see where you're coming from, but a lot of people base their expectations of a player based on the production in the last year or two.

Huberdeau isn't playing at a $10.5M clip, that's fair, but he's a lot better than the 12-15G, 55P LW that would disappear offensively for a month.

At the same time Bahl is paid $1M, he's holding his own in a top 4 role. He's already having a career year in points. It's also only his 2nd full year in the league. IMO if you're grading based on the contracts then he should be paid at least $3.5M, and have a higher grade.

Out of the Fs Kirkland as a player of no consequence got the Flames a couple of extra points in the shootout, which is already great at league min. Hanley solidified the Weegar pairing, and they've been one of the top pairings in the league based on analytics. Weegar should get most of the credit, but Hanley deserves some kudos as well.

I think that inconsisteny could make your grades seem a bit biased or as an attempt to take a dump on a couple of players. Personally I don't mind your perspective, and it's a fun discussion.

[kehatch]

A
Wolf - Caldar caliber season so far
Zary - Most dynamic player on the team
Coronato - Great shot and overall game developing nicely

B
Huberdeau - Much improved and playing confident
Hanley - Way better then I expected
Bahl - Big part of why our D has remained competent
Lomberg - Does his job well. Needs better line mates.
Weegar - Big tough minutes and still tilting ice positively
Kirkland - Surprise of season with strong start.

C
Kadri - Getting beat 5 on 5 and offense just okay
Coleman - Rough start away from Backlund, but getting better
Backlund - Rough start away from Coleman, but getting better
Andersson - Strong start but has been just okay since
Pachal - He has been okay
Pelletier - Playing more confident. Offense isn't there.
Vladar - Poor stats and mediocre results, but facing tough assignments
Pospisil - Drop in offense, but still good 5 on 5

D
Bean - Up and down season
Mantha - Really strong start followed by a huge drop
Miromanov - Was hoping for more after how he finished last season
Duehr - Struggle
Sharongovich - Never been strong defensively, but really glaring when offense not there.

F
Rooney - Time for a better option
Barrie - Failed PTO
Kuzmenko - Totally lost or invisible

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Team is mid as hell. Better give everyone a participation A or B - or so says the same group of critics who don’t actually bring their own opinions to the table, just critique others.

Huberdeau makes $10.5M, is on pace for 60 points on a team that is on pace to finish what? 17th?

Give that man a raise, honour him as forever a Flame, and give him an A+.

The fact that the team is mid speaks positively about the players. This isn't a roster that should be competing for a playoff spot.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

imagine giving Bahl and Huberdeau a D

BAHL IS 24

I get Huberdeau if you are still expecting him to play up to his salary. Bahl is a wild one

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think most people knew guys like Kadri and Huberdeau got paid for what they DID, not what they will be doing.

It's easier to use salary vs production when you are paying a young player to produce. Like Lindholm and Hanifin, or Andersson. 2/3 are now getting paid for what they did in Calgary under those deals.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think most people knew guys like Kadri and Huberdeau got paid for what they DID, not what they will be doing.

It's easier to use salary vs production when you are paying a young player to produce. Like Lindholm and Hanifin, or Andersson. 2/3 are now getting paid for what they did in Calgary under those deals.

For sure but Kadri has had a pretty reasonable curve so far but Huberdeau fell off a cliff. No one would be mad if he was working his way down from a PPG pace.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

For sure but Kadri has had a pretty reasonable curve so far but Huberdeau fell off a cliff. No one would be mad if he was working his way down from a PPG pace.

Kadri is right at his career average points wise, he is on track for 58.

It's a lot harder to maintain a 100 plus point pace as you age into your 30's. PPG wouldn't have been bad kind of what I was expecting.

I think his confidence was shattered his first season here, and it has taken a while to get it back.

[FBI]

Would you rather have Huberdeau on pace for 36 goals or Lindholm who has 7-13-20 through half the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FBI

Would you rather have Huberdeau on pace for 36 goals or Lindholm who has 7-13-20 through half the season.

Are you asking me?

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Are you asking me?

The general crowd, just seeing if we are getting closer to being satisfied with Huberdeau for a bit. Paying Elias at 7.7 for his crap play would be worse IMO.