While climate change plays a role in making these fires as widespread and devastating as they are, the main cause is actually the way humanity has altered the natural layout and composition of the top portion of the Earth's crust. This video explains and offers a solution to this ongoing problem.
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Man, every time they post, I keep thinking they can't post anything dumber, yet they keep breaking the bar.
Imagine how real life stupid someone would have to be to reply to “Here’s a video about non-climate change things contributing to worsening fires” with “SMOKEY THE BEAR WAS CREATED IN 1940 CLIMATE CHANGE LOL!”
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What’s the difference between between these and the regular Malibu fires every other year? Are they bigger? Seems like a bigger deal that the usual?
Not the main cause, but I read a story today that some of the fire departments literally ran out of water. Like nothing coming out of the hydrants in some areas.
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Not the main cause, but I read a story today that some of the fire departments literally ran out of water. Like nothing coming out of the hydrants in some areas.
It's been years and years of drought, and most of the lakes in the state are dry. This is not surprising.
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Not the main cause, but I read a story today that some of the fire departments literally ran out of water. Like nothing coming out of the hydrants in some areas.
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It's been years and years of drought, and most of the lakes in the state are dry. This is not surprising.
It's not so much the amount of water that was an issue but moreso the design of the system. The water system isn't designed to feed such a massive fire fighting effort for an extended period of time and because of that the system was strained and couldn't maintain adequate pressure to move water up the hill to the higher elevation hydrants which were the ones that ran dry. In these types of fire fighting efforts they usually rely much more on air efforts instead of ground efforts but the helicopters and bombers were largely grounded on Tuesday and Wednesday because of the winds and smoke.
...aaaand I'm quickly reminded why I no longer enjoy reading and posting on CP.
The fact that you read that as a endorsement of climate change denial says more about you.
My statement was merely you had to throw in the old "climate change" plays a role.
That maybe the cause down the road, although i have the uptmost faith in our brillant engineers that it won't. But not every major weather event is linked to climate change.
For the record, climate change is real, but solvable.
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Imagine how real life stupid someone would have to be to reply to “Here’s a video about non-climate change things contributing to worsening fires” with “SMOKEY THE BEAR WAS CREATED IN 1940 CLIMATE CHANGE LOL!”
The fire is "worse" because of the wind. That is the consensus.
You can't quantifiy climate change on weather patterns bro.
The fact that you read that as a endorsement of climate change denial says more about you.
My statement was merely you had to throw in the old "climate change" plays a role.
That maybe the cause down the road, although i have the uptmost faith in our brillant engineers that it won't. But not every major weather event is linked to climate change.
For the record, climate change is real, but solvable.
Climate change plays a role. Most of the worst California fire seasons by area burned have been since 2017, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
LA is a bit different, it involves a failure of political leadership and preparation. They were warned to clean the dead wood and underbrush years ago they didn't do it. They failed to secure a water supply for fire fighting. Everyone knows that that area of California is a conflagration waiting to happen every year.
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When insurance companies cancel Fire insurance because of high risk you need to completely revamp how you protect yourself from Fire.
The answer to stopping fires is not climate stopping climate change. That solution is a hundred years away from making an impact. The change is baked in.
Better building codes applied retroactively with forced upgrades need to happen. Building losses like this from fire are preventable. We chose to let houses burn down because we don’t like the cost of stopping it.
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LA is a bit different, it involves a failure of political leadership and preparation. They were warned to clean the dead wood and underbrush years ago they didn't do it. They failed to secure a water supply for fire fighting. Everyone knows that that area of California is a conflagration waiting to happen every year.
We're ####ing doomed.
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LA is a bit different, it involves a failure of political leadership and preparation. They were warned to clean the dead wood and underbrush years ago they didn't do it. They failed to secure a water supply for fire fighting. Everyone knows that that area of California is a conflagration waiting to happen every year.
The Palisades area was cleaned 2 or 3 years ago, last winter saw unprecedented rain and the vegetation grew like it was sprinkled with viagra, this year saw little to no rain from the pacific as it all went north and the dry winds dried that vegetation to kindling.
Perfect storm that I doubt any political leadership could have stopped
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LA is a bit different, it involves a failure of political leadership and preparation. They were warned to clean the dead wood and underbrush years ago they didn't do it. They failed to secure a water supply for fire fighting. Everyone knows that that area of California is a conflagration waiting to happen every year.
The Palisades were established more than a century ago, and the Santa Ana winds have existed that entire time, yet this catastrophic fire didn't happen until now. So if that area is the yearly conflagration you say it is, why didn't a fire like this happen a long time ago?
Regarding the claims made against the political leaders of California. This article debunks it for the most part. While it's true that more forest management is needed, this particular fire was mostly spread by chaparral (good luck removing all chaparral from the entire state every year...)
One question I have... the SA winds are not dissimilar to the chinooks we get here... so why don't we get a similar fire situation here as they have there? I think the answer is that southern Alberta/Sask is cooler and more moist than southern CA. Hence the reason to slam the brakes on climate change... the hotter and drier places get, the more susceptible they become to fire catastrophes.
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Megafires and Why They Keep Happening
