This is one of those areas of Canadian politics I have never understood, Clark was a BC liberal, they were far to the right of the old PC's, pretty much in the Reform territory, how can you be taken seriously in the Federal Liberals when you have been the Premier of a right wing provincial conservative party in all but name?
Maybe people shouldn't be outcast for changing/evolving their views, and these are actually the types of people we should be embracing as leaders above all else? Solutions to society's problems aren't black and white, and conservative and progressive approaches have their place in a very complex system. The tribal nature of the system basically shuts the door on discourse and openness to a variety of possible solutions.
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Do you really think that the Americans can't overcome losing 100% of Canadian imports? Some short term pain, but there's many other ways they can get what they need.
I don’t think in the timeline of house elections that Americans can recover.
Chrétien with a really great interview on CTV today (or maybe yesterday? Not sure). Wish that dude was 30 years younger and able to run again.
Also note the initial clip in it with Trump where the reporter asks any chance of military force in order to annex Canada and big old resounding “No”. Only economic force, apparently. Lol
Last night when his face popped up on the news, I first said "wait, he's not dead?" and then "Hrmm, maybe he could show the US a thing or two about how older people can govern properly..." And I used to hate the guy!
If you are on X you can see that Musk and Poilievre are in bed together. I fear a Conservative majority because either that clown is going to hand us to President Musk or we will just be a puppet state.
Do you really think that the Americans can't overcome losing 100% of Canadian imports? Some short term pain, but there's many other ways they can get what they need.
Sure, but that’s make taming inflation as Trump promised darn hard.
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Sure, but that’s make taking inflation as Trump promised darn hard.
Trump would claim that it's brought more jobs to America and deny that it caused any inflation. Any inflation that occurs will just be blamed in the policies of the Biden Administration that they needed to fix. Now Americans may not believe that next time they vote. But they've been fooled twice already.
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Do you really think that the Americans can't overcome losing 100% of Canadian imports? Some short term pain, but there's many other ways they can get what they need.
The Americans are rocking an enormous trade deficit with Canada right now.
You take oil and gas out of the picture, it’s a +$50B trade surplus with Canada.
They need oil sands oil for the type of crude it is, that can only be replaced with more expensive options in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.
So yes, they need Canada. Those US refiners will soon be pissed with the American federal government. And ironically, Albertans are going to end up super pissed with Poilievre.
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And ironically, Albertans are going to end up super pissed with Poilievre.
Isn't that what 75% of the people in this thread want? I will say that Canada going into a catastrophic recession in the next 24 months is exactly what the Liberals need to regain power for a 2029 election.
You work in the business. If Canada does not sell our oil to this U.S. who do we sell it to? Do we have any economically viable ways to get it out of Alberta in any kind of volume? I personally don't see British Columbia and Quebec suddenly changing their stance and making it easier to move it inside Canada.
The Americans have more options and more capital to adjust to a shock like this. I can see this U.S. Administration giving huge handouts to refineries to compensate them for not having heavy crude to refine.
I don't think this is the Americans ideal solution as what they have right now works really well for them. Problem is that I'm not sure there's a realistic way for Canada to get anything better.
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The Americans are rocking an enormous trade deficit with Canada right now.
You take oil and gas out of the picture, it’s a +$50B trade surplus with Canada.
They need oil sands oil for the type of crude it is, that can only be replaced with more expensive options in Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.
So yes, they need Canada. Those US refiners will soon be pissed with the American federal government. And ironically, Albertans are going to end up super pissed with Poilievre.
Isn’t the Venezuelan oil cheaper, but they have sanctions in place? There’s no way the oil sands production costs less than the production in Venezuela though.
The Americans have more options and more capital to adjust to a shock like this. I can see this U.S. Administration giving huge handouts to refineries to compensate them for not having heavy crude to refine.
Compensation to the refineries for not having crude to refine doesn't solve the problem for the Americans who rely on the end result of that refined crude.
Suncor had one refinery in Colorado shut down a couple years ago for three months that caused gas prices to rise 51% for the state and 27% in the Rocky Mountain Region.
If you are on X you can see that Musk and Poilievre are in bed together. I fear a Conservative majority because either that clown is going to hand us to President Musk or we will just be a puppet state.
If we become a puppet state it’ll be because we put all of our economics eggs in their basket.
Isn't that what 75% of the people in this thread want? I will say that Canada going into a catastrophic recession in the next 24 months is exactly what the Liberals need to regain power for a 2029 election.
You work in the business. If Canada does not sell our oil to this U.S. who do we sell it to? Do we have any economically viable ways to get it out of Alberta in any kind of volume? I personally don't see British Columbia and Quebec suddenly changing their stance and making it easier to move it inside Canada.
The Americans have more options and more capital to adjust to a shock like this. I can see this U.S. Administration giving huge handouts to refineries to compensate them for not having heavy crude to refine.
I don't think this is the Americans ideal solution as what they have right now works really well for them. Problem is that I'm not sure there's a realistic way for Canada to get anything better.
The only way canada can improve its position and increase its leverage is to create new world market access for its products.
Funny how Trudeau specifically threw Freeland under the bus as he was going out. Basically tied a cinder block to her legs and threw it into the ocean out of spite lol.
