Making the playoffs or keeping our top-10 first round pick 2025?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and in the playoffs, an OTL is a hard L, and those count too.

More accurately, a 60 minute tie gets you to OT, which is a coin toss. No 3 on 3 or shootouts in the playoffs.

[Number 39]

Day one Flames fan responding to the topic title. I still watch the games on TV but I moved to Ontario over 15 years ago. For me, who doesn’t have to pay out of pocket for tickets and is getting older the choice is simple. Tank/sell off assets and retain the pick.

Please understand that I’m not in the city anymore (although I still identify as a Calgarian having grown up there) and thus don’t pay for season tickets or attend games….This is the perspective I view it from. I’m getting older and I’d like to see some not-mid hockey for a numbers of years in a row (not one year up and one year down like we experienced recently…..real contender stuff like true winning organizations experience).

Again, I understand that I don't have the same skin in the game anymore that some of you do anymore. Having said that, the distance may have removed some of the emotion/economic pain from my opinion. I also understand that ownership, from all media reports, does not share my opinion. Go Flames Go!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

For sure, the overtime loss points count in the standings. I'm not arguing at all.

No wonder American players don't want to play in Canada, you people seem to have great difficulty taking a two digit number and dividing it in half.

WTF are you even arguing? You're trying to be a contrarian, but you have no point

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

WTF are you even arguing? You're trying to be a contrarian, but you have no point

I'm not arguing anything, merely pointing out that 19 wins in 40 games means that we've lost two more games than we've won.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm not arguing anything, merely pointing out that 19 wins in 40 games means that we've lost two more games than we've won.

A better argument would be that we have 56.3% of our possible points.

The teams below us all have a worse % because they have less points and more games played.

The Canucks were worse than us this morning because they had played 1 more game and were only 1 point ahead of us. With their win tonight they now have a better % of possible points over their games played (57.1%).

Either way, these kinds of comparisons are all pretty shallow because they are just snapshots without digging into the data at all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

For sure, the overtime loss points count in the standings. I'm not arguing at all.

No wonder American players don't want to play in Canada, you people seem to have great difficulty taking a two digit number and dividing it in half.

Or we follow a league whose rules suggest a loss in overtime or a shoot out is essentially a tie because you get a point, therefore you don't count it as a true loss.

And all the teams in the league play by the same rules, so my math holds, thanks!

[Gordon Bombay]

Make the Playoffs

[2ArmBands]

Kinda hate that I'm even thinking this way but I am starting to get curious on what this team looks like with some offensive/PP help.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm not arguing anything, merely pointing out that 19 wins in 40 games means that we've lost two more games than we've won.

That’s why there is a point given out after 60 minutes. Flames earned the point you get for being tied at 5 on 5 for 60 minutes. This is the only way you can have a gimmick like 3 on 3 after, and make it fair. Wins don’t matter in the regular season. Could win 15 games all year, and take the rest to overtime, they’d still make the playoffs.

[Goriders]

Still think for the culture of the organization they should push for the playoffs. It would be invaluable experience for they youngsters like Wolf, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil, Bahl, Duehr ect.

They are not getting a top 5 pick no matter what happens. So I don’t think it makes much difference otherwise. So you might as well go for it. Especially if Andersson wants to stay.

[Tkachukwagon]

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[Goriders]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Kinda hate that I'm even thinking this way but I am starting to get curious on what this team looks like with some offensive/PP help.

If Kuzmenko and Sharangovich were doing what they did last season the Flames would be a completely different team

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1878337629542138331

And by the end of the season that could easily be a fifteen step gap.


I get the allure of making the playoffs but picking top ten and 20+ is a significant difference. Most quality centers are gone first round most in the top twenty which is also the position we need most.

This is the year to crap out. And this year is probably the lowest we pick for many years as i see the trajectory if the team only getting better.

Scoronato, wolf, zary, and bahl who is turning into a bit of a gem are only going to get better. We will be adding at least one talented youngster to the roster and if we can snag a young nhl center this team will be good. Teade Anderson who i think has hit his peak Use the cap space and picks to snag another top four in the offseason and this team will be seriously competitive.

I just see this as the last year we bottom out. Get into the top ten and use our piles of draft capital to get mqueen, frondell, or misa (most mocks have him anywhere from one to five)

That would be my approach. I see this ways the same as the red mile run. False sense of how good the team is, and management is going to fall for it again.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If they make Wolf the defacto starter then they'll make the playoffs. If they go back to the 1A/1B rotation they will end up in 9th or 10th.

Vladar is good at making his games look like valiant efforts, but while letting in one too many soft goals at the end of the day.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fan69

And by the end of the season that could easily be a fifteen step gap.


I get the allure of making the playoffs but picking top ten and 20+ is a significant difference. Most quality centers are gone first round most in the top twenty which is also the position we need most.

This is the year to crap out. And this year is probably the lowest we pick for many years as i see the trajectory if the team only getting better.

Scoronato, wolf, zary, and bahl who is turning into a bit of a gem are only going to get better. We will be adding at least one talented youngster to the roster and if we can snag a young nhl center this team will be good. Teade Anderson who i think has hit his peak Use the cap space and picks to snag another top four in the offseason and this team will be seriously competitive.

I just see this as the last year we bottom out. Get into the top ten and use our piles of draft capital to get mqueen, frondell, or misa (most mocks have him anywhere from one to five)

That would be my approach. I see this ways the same as the red mile run. False sense of how good the team is, and management is going to fall for it again.

So what would be your plan to “get into the top 10”?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If they make Wolf the defacto starter then they'll make the playoffs. If they go back to the 1A/1B rotation they will end up in 9th or 10th.

It sounds like they will alternate more until the 4 Nations Cup because of the amount of games being played but once that is done they will start going with letting whoever is playing better go on a run.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So what would be your plan to “get into the top 10”?

Trade Anderson as i mentioned.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What culture are we building the same we did with Kipper? Rely on a goalie to play 70 games to get us in 8th?

We need to build a winning product and have the team play well in front of him. Right now we are riding a goalie playing out of his mind. That’s not culture to me. Let’s get dominated and hope we can get 2 goals somehow and let the goalie win us games.

[Sylvanfan]

I was looking at the Flames remaining schedule yesterday and it looks pretty difficult.

The league excluding the Flames has a .553 points percentage. 554 if you include the Flames. In the next 41 games the Flames opponents have an average points percentage of 0.561. Haven't broken down the home road splits as 19 home games and 22 on the hiway to go. If they do miss the playoffs...it is looking like it will be pick 15.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Trade Anderson as i mentioned.

For what return? And would you trade him regardless of what the return is?
Are you confident that trading him is the only thing you need to do to get into the top 10?