Rasmus Andersson wants to remain a Calgary Flame

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by TOfan

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Why would he blackmail the team and if does, they can just tell him to piss off.

Exactly. He has a six team no-trade list. Easy enough.

As an aside, is the blackmailing for captain in negotiations a common thing? I've only ever heard it with regards to Tkachuk. Are there other examples? I don't see it as a problematic NHL thing.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

No one, including Francis, suggested it was “hard hitting”.

Just complaining for the sake of complaining.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Exactly. He has a six team no-trade list. Easy enough.

As an aside, is the blackmailing for captain in negotiations a common thing? I've only ever heard it with regards to Tkachuk. Are there other examples? I don't see it as a problematic NHL thing.

Exactly. Seems stupid to do so.

‘I’ll only sign here if you make me captain’.

‘If that’s the hill to die on, dig yourself a grave. Good luck finding another team to make you captain’.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

That's true, but does he need to be a top pairing guy to be the best choice to lead a rebuild flush with young talent?

I think there are an awful lot of factors that need to be considered: Leadership, drive, professionalism, optimism, resilience, hate of the Oilers, and the list could go on.

The one guy left standing as the guy to lead this rebuild and mentor these kids is going to have a challenging few years in this organization, and it is going to take some character. We are going to need an exceptional captain if this is going to work.

I think that Backlund is pretty well regarded as a leader and a captain. He is not our number one centre.

No and I don’t think we need a vet to be leading the rebuild either. It’s has to be the young players who take charge and take over the team.

We didn’t have Iginla or Regher to lead our last rebuild. We had a Stajan who only had a few years left and handed it off to Gio and Johnny and Monny. Those guys brought in the Chucky and Andersson onto the team.

One guy hating the Oilers and Canucks probably isn’t enough. I just don’t see it in the athletes now. A lot of them train together are friends off the ice to have the type of hatred you or I would have of those suckers.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No and I don’t think we need a vet to be leading the rebuild either. It’s has to be the young players who take charge and take over the team.

We didn’t have Iginla or Regher to lead our last rebuild. We had a Stajan who only had a few years left and handed it off to Gio and Johnny and Monny. Those guys brought in the Chucky and Andersson onto the team.

One guy hating the Oilers and Canucks probably isn’t enough. I just don’t see it in the athletes now. A lot of them train together are friends off the ice to have the type of hatred you or I would have of those suckers.

I hope his hate is infectious!

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t recall the words ‘very isolated’ being used. I recall him saying from time to time Treliving would make decisions on his own and I’d bet he’s not alone in GM circles on that.

This thought that Treliving made all decisions by himself I find really hard to believe. I also think if that was accurate, he likely wouldn’t have gotten another job in that role, especially for of of the league’s premier clubs.

It doesn’t add up.

No, they were my words summing up how I felt the situation came across which is why I never used quotes typing it or said Conroy said it.

Going about it alone isn't right or wrong, is the Leafs thought he did a good job in Calgary and would continue in Toronto then that's fine. It's about results. I'm not judging Treliving for this, just my thoughts from that Conroy interview.

[activeStick]

Love hearing this come out from Andersson and I'm hoping he stays in Calgary longterm. Aside from him being a top defenceman in the NHL today and I think staying that way until he's 35-36, the Flames getting a win with a homegrown drafted and developed prospect having the choice to sign anywhere in the league and choosing to stay in Calgary is a very big deal. Conroy has spoken about this on numerous occasions and an extension for 8 years is a big step towards changing the narrative that nobody would want to stay in Calgary.

I think with Conroy publicly stating they want Andersson in Calgary longterm and Andersson now saying the same, everything is in place for an extension some time in the 2025-26 season. The success so far this season is obviously a big factor here on Andersson's decision, so Huska and the coaching staff deserve credit again for the great job they've done in making it fun for the team to play again and helping them find success when everyone in the world doubted them. Going to be awesome having Andersson and Weegar be the vet anchors on the backend to bring the kids along!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hope his hate is infectious!

Hopefully he can infect the Kings with Oiler hatred.

Perfect fit in LA

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No and I don’t think we need a vet to be leading the rebuild either. It’s has to be the young players who take charge and take over the team.

We didn’t have Iginla or Regher to lead our last rebuild. We had a Stajan who only had a few years left and handed it off to Gio and Johnny and Monny. Those guys brought in the Chucky and Andersson onto the team.

One guy hating the Oilers and Canucks probably isn’t enough. I just don’t see it in the athletes now. A lot of them train together are friends off the ice to have the type of hatred you or I would have of those suckers.

No, we didn't, and here we are....

I get that (the friends thing), the hate for the Oilers thing was just a joke from Rasmus' comment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

No, we didn't, and here we are....

I get that (the friends thing), the hate for the Oilers thing was just a joke from Rasmus' comment.

Well it didn’t go that bad as win the division twice with 50 wins and have a couple of stars on the team. It was a flawed core and by the sounds of it Treliving was trying to change up the mix but Covid made things hard.

Treliving inherited a superstar drafted already and a #1C. So it went easier and quicker. We really only had to suffer for Bennett and Chucky because Monny was during that short season. But it also shows you even with a superstar drafted already how much drafting high which requires sucking is required.

Now Treliving didn’t leave the cupboards bare since we have Coronato, Zary and Wolf on the roster but we don’t have a Gaudreau. This time around we will have to feel some real pain to get elite talent like that.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well it didn’t go that bad as win the division twice with 50 wins and have a couple of stars on the team. It was a flawed core and by the sounds of it Treliving was trying to change up the mix but Covid made things hard.

Treliving inherited a superstar drafted already and a #1C. So it went easier and quicker. We really only had to suffer for Bennett and Chucky because Monny was during that short season. But it also shows you even with a superstar drafted already how much drafting high which requires sucking is required.

Now Treliving didn’t leave the cupboards bare since we have Coronato, Zary and Wolf on the roster but we don’t have a Gaudreau. This time around we will have to feel some real pain to get elite talent like that.

And I believe that we are going to need a proven professional, on the ice, to lead these kids. When I say professional, I go back to what I said earlier, factoring in leadership, drive and so many other things.

We are going to need strong leadership off the ice as well. And, with the strongest of leadership on and off the ice, we are going to need some really great luck, strong scouting, etc. A lot of things are going to have to come together to make this a successful rebuild. We need to put the right people in core positions to give us the best possible chance to succeed.

This is not unique to any other rebuild by any other team in this sport or any other!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

And I believe that we are going to need a proven professional, on the ice, to lead these kids. When I say professional, I go back to what I said earlier, factoring in leadership, drive and so many other things.

We are going to need strong leadership off the ice as well. And, with the strongest of leadership on and off the ice, we are going to need some really great luck, strong scouting, etc. A lot of things are going to have to come together to make this a successful rebuild. We need to put the right people in core positions to give us the best possible chance to succeed.

This is not unique to any other rebuild by any other team in this sport or any other!

We have that with Huberdeau and Weegar. Heck Weegar is also working on the new building.

Lomberg is here as well. Coleman is still signed for 2 more years. Backlund is here next season at worst half season.

After they leave it’s time for Zary and Coronato to take over.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Love hearing this come out from Andersson and I'm hoping he stays in Calgary longterm. Aside from him being a top defenceman in the NHL today and I think staying that way until he's 35-36, the Flames getting a win with a homegrown drafted and developed prospect having the choice to sign anywhere in the league and choosing to stay in Calgary is a very big deal. Conroy has spoken about this on numerous occasions and an extension for 8 years is a big step towards changing the narrative that nobody would want to stay in Calgary.

I think with Conroy publicly stating they want Andersson in Calgary longterm and Andersson now saying the same, everything is in place for an extension some time in the 2025-26 season. The success so far this season is obviously a big factor here on Andersson's decision, so Huska and the coaching staff deserve credit again for the great job they've done in making it fun for the team to play again and helping them find success when everyone in the world doubted them. Going to be awesome having Andersson and Weegar be the vet anchors on the backend to bring the kids along!

We have signed plenty of players I don’t think signing Andersson signals to the NHL players want to play in Calgary. It just means we overpaid to keep him here. Just like with Lindholm.

Signing Zary, Coronato and Wolf is a bigger deal those are the prospects you want committing long term here. That’s a bigger deal than handing out retirement contracts.

Build a winner and you have a better shot at signing potential free agents.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am sure that Andersson enjoys Calgary and loves playing here. I am also sure that the business comes first as well, and there is ZERO wrong with that. I don't really look at it from one side exclusively over the other.


But hey, I also believed that Gaudreau did waiver on his decision whether to stay or go right until the last second. I do think that Tkachuk mostly enjoyed his time here, considering he still every now and then takes a shot at the Oilers, comes for Stampede, etc. I believe that Lindholm was looking to leave. I believe Toffoli would have loved to stay here - on a longer term extension. I believe that Hanifin would have re-signed here if the money and term were right (more than elsewhere).



I love Andersson, and I am sure that he would really love to stay here. It just has to make sense for both sides. Does he want to be part of a rebuild for a couple of seasons? Does it make sense to retain him during the rebuild or is it better to exchange him for more futures? Does the contract make sense for both sides?



If Andersson is extended, I will be happy. If he is traded (and the package is decent) then I will also be happy. As long as the Flames don't re-sign him to a crippling deal (which I believe they won't) or trade him for pennies on the dollar - or worse, allow him to walk away for free (which I don't believe either is likely to happen), then I will be happy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hanifin did agree to stay I think twice. He backed out both times and he ended up singing essentially the same contract in Las Vegas. He said he wanted to be in the states closer to his family.

Tampa was his choice but I think after they didn’t get the trade done they went another route so he ended up staying in Vegas.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by BigThief

No, they were my words summing up how I felt the situation came across which is why I never used quotes typing it or said Conroy said it.

Going about it alone isn't right or wrong, is the Leafs thought he did a good job in Calgary and would continue in Toronto then that's fine. It's about results. I'm not judging Treliving for this, just my thoughts from that Conroy interview.

Okay, well, I would say your choice of words isn’t very accurate or fair.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like you’re about to be disappointed.

With this interview, along with Conroy’s Dec 27 on Flames Talk where he stated ‘Rasmus is a Flame’ regarding the topic, I think we can put Andersson being traded this year to bed. Not only are we getting first hand comments from both parties stating an interest/want in staying, and I mentioned this yesterday in the trade thread, I’ve yet to see a single notable hockey insider or trade board say Andersson was on the block. In a list of 30 trade candidates from earlier this week Chris Johnston didn’t have Andersson listed, not even as a foot note. Aside from Dave Pagnotta, who I don’t believe is very credible, and some posters here on this forum, no one as far as I’m aware from the hockey world seemed to think Andersson was on the block or was anywhere close to being dealt.

Now, is it possible things don’t get worked out and he is dealt this offseason or next year, for sure. That seems like a possibility but I’d say it seems like both sides want to continue the relationship.

Don't agree with the bold at all. It was all standard, non-answer answers - what else are they supposed to say?

"Rasmus is a Flame". Yes, that is 100% true. Until it isn't. Nothing to see here at all.

I take all these types of interview answers with a grain of salt, but one of the more telling things to me was Andersson saying "it's out of my control". Probably nothing, but he didn't have to add that, and it could hint that trading him has been discussed.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Don't agree with the bold at all. It was all standard, non-answer answers - what else are they supposed to say?

"Rasmus is a Flame". Yes, that is 100% true. Until it isn't. Nothing to see here at all.

I take all these types of interview answers with a grain of salt, but one of the more telling things to me was Andersson saying "it's out of my control". Probably nothing, but he didn't have to add that, and it could hint that trading him has been discussed.

Well, sure, it could mean nothing at all on either side but then why say anything?

In either case it wasn’t a press conference, they were both one on one interviews. Both sides knew the question/topic was coming. Especially in Andersson’s case where the whole discussion seemed to be based on that. In either case both parties could have said something along the lines of ‘it’s a business’ neither had am to say ‘Rasmus is a Flame’ (which, in context was meant to say he felt the relationship should continue) or ‘I want to stay a Flame’ (paraphrasing). Does this somehow benefit one party or the other?

I get it that there is a lot of real estate left between saying these things and getting a deal done but I think it’s fair to say both sides are closer to extending the relationship than many here would like.

[Enoch Root]

They were asked questions in an interview and had to respond. What you don't do is say something controversial. Conroy isn't going to show his hand - which even set yet anyway - and Andersson isn't going to say anything stupid that would be taken poorly, or over-reacted to. They both made proper public answers.

"I love it here and want to stay" is the sort of answer you get from someone who wants to, and expects to, re-sign.

"It's out of my hands" is what a guy says when it's up in the air.

[Sylvanfan]

Anderson is that age where the Flames should not be signing him to the extension. His best seasons will likely be his next 4 years. This really does not work with where the Flames are.

You can sign Engelland and Lomberg types to shorter high dollar deals to be the veteran types to help the younger guys along.