Rasmus Andersson wants to remain a Calgary Flame

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like he wasn’t a one man show then.

Maloney doesn’t do much? Flames ownership is paying him, what? $200-300K a year just because?

I’d bet all the guys were in constant contact with Trelliving.

Believe it was Conroy who touched on it at some point since being named GM that Treliving was very isolated in terms of decision making. Of course Conroy and Pascal were in communication but beyond that it was a one-man show. You can give your boss information about your team, but that doesn't mean you'd be making decisions with that information. From what Conroy has said he includes others more in the entire process.

Don Maloney is is President of Hockey Operations and is probably a corridor between ownership group and management. More big picture than day-to-day operations

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Our team average age is older than Vegas, LA, Jets, Vancouver.

The goal should be to get younger not older. We have plenty of vets and the few young players we have on the roster right now are learning and they will have to take on leadership roles as we bring in other younger players.

Huberdeau is a great leader and pro. Don’t think the team needs 5 more over 30s on the roster for that type of role.

Of course not. I think Lomberg is a shoe-in due to his contract and "spirit". Then we need one of, two of at most, Andersson, Weegar and Coleman.

Just being a vet doesn't make you the best bet to bring in, and up, young players with a bright future. I think these three have the "qualifications" to be "the guy".

Conroy needs to pick who's going to be that guy, then explore what he can get for the others.

Edit: Or, maybe he needs to explore what he can get for each first before deciding who is "the guy" as that should also factor into the decision.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do not want that wet noodle. JT knows.

It would be worse if you had JT though, a leader who never delivers in the playoffs. Tough spot for the Canucks, especially considering I think they think Miller is a playoff performer.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I meant on the management side I don’t think he actively participates in trade discussions and stuff.

He does what Burke did a sounding board and the go between for management and Edwards.

I don’t know. I just find it hard to believe that a GM, any GM in today’s world, would surround himself with qualified hockey executives/personel and actively ignore their input. Like, do you believe that’s what he’s doing in Toronto?

I think this idea that Treliving was a one man show is born out of fan frustration looking for a throat to choke.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It would be worse if you had JT though, a leader who never delivers in the playoffs. Tough spot for the Canucks, especially considering I think they think Miller is a playoff performer.

Wut?

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t know. I just find it hard to believe that a GM, any GM in today’s world, would surround himself with qualified hockey executives/personel and actively ignore their input. Like, do you believe that’s what he’s doing in Toronto?

I think this idea that Treliving was a one man show is born out of fan frustration looking for a throat to choke.

No it's born of public comments by the current gm.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Believe it was Conroy who touched on it at some point since being named GM that Treliving was very isolated in terms of decision making. Of course Conroy and Pascal were in communication but beyond that it was a one-man show. You can give your boss information about your team, but that doesn't mean you'd be making decisions with that information. From what Conroy has said he includes others more in the entire process.

Don Maloney is is President of Hockey Operations and is probably a corridor between ownership group and management. More big picture than day-to-day operations

I don’t recall the words ‘very isolated’ being used. I recall him saying from time to time Treliving would make decisions on his own and I’d bet he’s not alone in GM circles on that.

This thought that Treliving made all decisions by himself I find really hard to believe. I also think if that was accurate, he likely wouldn’t have gotten another job in that role, especially for of of the league’s premier clubs.

It doesn’t add up.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

No it's born of public comments by the current gm.

Then they should be easy to find and post.

I have no idea but i dont remember Conroy saying such things, though i easily could have missed them if he did.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Wut?

Every year in the playoffs save one he has underperformed his regular season scoring rate.

Most playoffs before he came to the Canucks he just did not bother showing up for.

Pettersson exceeded his regular season production in one playoff run and was bad last year. One goal wont cut it for Pettersson going forward in the playoffs, needs to get to at least 3 goals during a playoff run to be considered a performer. But he is youner so it could turn around for him.

It is tougher when older guys like Miller have never turned it on in the playoffs to expect them to do it in the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like he wasn’t a one man show then.

Maloney doesn’t do much? Flames ownership is paying him, what? $200-300K a year just because?

I’d bet all the guys were in constant contact with Trelliving.

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t know. I just find it hard to believe that a GM, any GM in today’s world, would surround himself with qualified hockey executives/personel and actively ignore their input. Like, do you believe that’s what he’s doing in Toronto?

I think this idea that Treliving was a one man show is born out of fan frustration looking for a throat to choke.

Well I see no reason for Conroy to make things up.

Also I never he said he ignored input. But we have heard he had to be talked out of a Ristolanem trade when everyone was against it.

This isn’t a dump on Treliving conversation. He was the GM he can choose to operate however he liked. I’m just saying and it sounds like it from what the management say it’s a much more collaborative effort with Conroy. They brought in Iginla specifically for this reason to get more collaboration on decisions.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well I see no reason for Conroy to make things up.

Also I never he said he ignored input. But we have heard he had to be talked out of a Ristolanem trade when everyone was against it.

This isn’t a dump on Treliving conversation. He was the GM he can choose to operate however he liked. I’m just saying and it sounds like it from what the management say it’s a much more collaborative effort with Conroy. They brought in Iginla specifically for this reason to get more collaboration on decisions.

I don’t think Conroy is making things up. I agree with the rest of what you’ve said. I also remember Burke saying on radio (believe he said this on numerous occasions) that it was Snow’s analytics that moved the team away from that Risto trade. To me, that’s proof positive that Treliving’s engaged his staff.

Let’s also not forget the Conry-Gulutzan hike up the Grouse Grind. I suspect Conroy was involved in the at decision. On the other hand if there was a decision Treliving flew solo on, I bet it was the Peters hire.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Every year in the playoffs save one he has underperformed his regular season scoring rate.

Most playoffs before he came to the Canucks he just did not bother showing up for.

Pettersson exceeded his regular season production in one playoff run and was bad last year. One goal wont cut it for Pettersson going forward in the playoffs, needs to get to at least 3 goals during a playoff run to be considered a performer. But he is youner so it could turn around for him.

It is tougher when older guys like Miller have never turned it on in the playoffs to expect them to do it in the future.

Miller was never a top line go to guy before going to Vancouver.

He has 30 points in his last 30 playoff games since becoming one.

Thats simply the fact.

How that is "not delivering" in the playoffs would take some serious mental gymnastics.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think Conroy is making things up. I agree with the rest of what you’ve said. I also remember Burke saying on radio (believe he said this on numerous occasions) that it was Snow’s analytics that moved the team away from that Risto trade. To me, that’s proof positive that Treliving’s engaged his staff.

Let’s also not forget the Conry-Gulutzan hike up the Grouse Grind. I suspect Conroy was involved in the at decision. On the other hand if there was a decision Treliving flew solo on, I bet it was the Peters hire.

Yes he was heavily involved in the Gulutzan hire unfortunately. That was a massive setback for the team.

Yes Treliving eyes Peters the moment he canned Gulutzan. He even said so himself that they only wanted 1 coach. I don’t blame him for the hire and still think Peters was a good coach, one that probably could have stayed here and stop the constant firing of coaches.

I did mention to a friend at the time even before Gulutzan was fired that Peter’s could be a replacement. Lots of talk about how well he had Carolina prepared to play and stuff.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Of course not. I think Lomberg is a shoe-in due to his contract and "spirit". Then we need one of, two of at most, Andersson, Weegar and Coleman.

Just being a vet doesn't make you the best bet to bring in, and up, young players with a bright future. I think these three have the "qualifications" to be "the guy".

Conroy needs to pick who's going to be that guy, then explore what he can get for the others.

Edit: Or, maybe he needs to explore what he can get for each first before deciding who is "the guy" as that should also factor into the decision.

To be honest we pick 1 and for me it’s easy it’s Weegar.

Andersson is showing he is not capable of being a top pairing guy this year he’s a really good 2nd pair player. His numbers have been going down yearly.

Weegar on the other hand seems to play well with anyone.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

To be honest we pick 1 and for me it’s easy it’s Weegar.

Andersson is showing he is not capable of being a top pairing guy this year he’s a really good 2nd pair player. His numbers have been going down yearly.

Weegar on the other hand seems to play well with anyone.

Sure, and I'd largely agree with that assessment, but we're not only picking 1.

Thing is, to have a balanced D-corps you need a #1 and a #2 to run your top 4.

You cant pair #1 and #2 otherwise the next 4 complete suck and have no cover.

So you have a #1 and thats your top pairing.

You have a #2 and thats your second unit.

And then you see whats left for the 3rd pairing.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

To be honest we pick 1 and for me it’s easy it’s Weegar.

Andersson is showing he is not capable of being a top pairing guy this year he’s a really good 2nd pair player. His numbers have been going down yearly.

Weegar on the other hand seems to play well with anyone.

That's true, but does he need to be a top pairing guy to be the best choice to lead a rebuild flush with young talent?

I think there are an awful lot of factors that need to be considered: Leadership, drive, professionalism, optimism, resilience, hate of the Oilers, and the list could go on.

The one guy left standing as the guy to lead this rebuild and mentor these kids is going to have a challenging few years in this organization, and it is going to take some character. We are going to need an exceptional captain if this is going to work.

I think that Backlund is pretty well regarded as a leader and a captain. He is not our number one centre.

[UnitedFlames]

"I hope I'm staying, it's out of my control, I love playing for this team" blah blah blah we've heard this all before.

I just hope he doesn't blackmail the team by including captaincy as part of the negotiations.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by UnitedFlames

"I hope I'm staying, it's out of my control, I love playing for this team" blah blah blah we've heard this all before.

I just hope he doesn't blackmail the team by including captaincy as part of the negotiations.

?

Why would he blackmail the team and if does, they can just tell him to piss off.

Are you in the habit of blackmailing your boss into a change in title? Doesn’t seem like a well thought out strategy.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Another hard hitting piece by Francis.

Nothing to see here.

No one, including Francis, suggested it was “hard hitting”.

[Goriders]

He’s just saying the right things in the media to set the stage and to maintain his reputation.

What he’s saying could be true. But it’s probably mostly the business side coming out.