Rasmus Andersson wants to remain a Calgary Flame

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Ah yes good ole Treliving playing hardball in negotiations with our young superstars so he could blow money on July 1st for ageing veterans like Brouwer and Neal. Don’t even get me started on the Hamonic trade In Conroy I Trust!

Don’t forget leaving us with 2 picks in the 22 draft so he could get Jarnkrok and Ryan Carpenter.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like you’re about to be disappointed.

With this interview, along with Conroy’s Dec 27 on Flames Talk where he stated ‘Rasmus is a Flame’ regarding the topic, I think we can put Andersson being traded this year to bed. Not only are we getting first hand comments from both parties stating an interest/want in staying, and I mentioned this yesterday in the trade thread, I’ve yet to see a single notable hockey insider or trade board say Andersson was on the block. In a list of 30 trade candidates from earlier this week Chris Johnston didn’t have Andersson listed, not even as a foot note. Aside from Dave Pagnotta, who I don’t believe is very credible, and some posters here on this forum, no one as far as I’m aware from the hockey world seemed to think Andersson was on the block or was anywhere close to being dealt.

Now, is it possible things don’t get worked out and he is dealt this offseason or next year, for sure. That seems like a possibility but I’d say it seems like both sides want to continue the relationship.

A losing skid can change things very quickly. Flames are in the mix, so I’d expect it to be quiet. Besides, after spending last year atop every rumor mill, I suspect Conroy and co want to keep things out of the media spotlight this go around. Chatter or lack thereof doesn’t indicate much IMO

[schteve_d]

Conroy needs to decide who the leaders are going to be through this rebuild, and provide some stability through it. Guys who can bring in, and bring up, the young guys and teach them how to be an NHL player "the right way", as cliche as that is.

Backlund is 35. He's not going to be around through this entire rebuild.

Huberdeau or Kadri? I don't think so.

I honestly think that Lomberg is a great guy to have around the kids. But on the higher skill end of things, they are going to need a couple guys.

Weegar is a candidate of course. I think Andersson is another and perhaps Coleman.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Ah yes good ole Treliving playing hardball in negotiations with our young superstars so he could blow money on July 1st for ageing veterans like Brouwer and Neal. Don’t even get me started on the Hamonic trade In Conroy I Trust!

Uh, Conroy was the AGM through all of that. You might want to reserve some of that trust.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Conroy needs to decide who the leaders are going to be through this rebuild, and provide some stability through it. Guys who can bring in, and bring up, the young guys and teach them how to be an NHL player "the right way", as cliche as that is.

Backlund is 35. He's not going to be around through this entire rebuild.

Huberdeau or Kadri? I don't think so.

I honestly think that Lomberg is a great guy to have around the kids. But on the higher skill end of things, they are going to need a couple guys.

Weegar is a candidate of course. I think Andersson is another and perhaps Coleman.

Our team average age is older than Vegas, LA, Jets, Vancouver.

The goal should be to get younger not older. We have plenty of vets and the few young players we have on the roster right now are learning and they will have to take on leadership roles as we bring in other younger players.

Huberdeau is a great leader and pro. Don’t think the team needs 5 more over 30s on the roster for that type of role.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Uh, Conroy was the AGM through all of that. You might want to reserve some of that trust.

Well Conory is operating a different way.

From all accounts Treliving was a one man show.

[Locke]

I dont really see the problem with handing him a fairly substantial contract other than age.

Really...for probably the next 4 years or so...the Cap isnt our problem, and in the 4 years after that it will likely have grown substantially and thus, still not be our problem.

Yeah, maybe you can get a haul for him, but he's also a pretty big part of the culture and, you still need vets and leaders. Why dispense with one that we already have and dont need to trade?

[Fire]

I give the chances that Andersson stays at about 10%. Which is good since they should be trading him for futures.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fire

I give the chances that Andersson stays at about 10%. Which is good since they should be trading him for futures.

I just think that its like trading your Boat for the Mystery Box. There could be anything in the Mystery Box...even a Boat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont really see the problem with handing him a fairly substantial contract other than age.

Really...for probably the next 4 years or so...the Cap isnt our problem, and in the 4 years after that it will likely have grown substantially and thus, still not be our problem.

Yeah, maybe you can get a haul for him, but he's also a pretty big part of the culture and, you still need vets and leaders. Why dispense with one that we already have and dont need to trade?

How many vets and leaders do we need? Should we turn the team into a retirement home ? We already have more than enough and can probably afford to offload a few more actually.

The young players like Wolf, Zary and Coronato are learning and will have to take over the leadership of the team. I’d probably put Bahl into that group as well.

Also all 4 will get substantial raises and the Sharangovich extension kicks in. So yeah we do have to be mindful of the cap because as we add more of the prospect base they will eventually get paid as well in a few years.

Andersson is the perfect guy to set our new path forward. The team being proactive and getting rid of the player, and we don’t do retirement contracts anymore.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Locke

I just think that its like trading your Boat for the Mystery Box. There could be anything in the Mystery Box...even a Boat.

The boat will start to slowly sink and won't be any use in 5 years. Money invested in the boat will be better spent on a newer model.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fire

The boat will start to slowly sink and won't be any use in 5 years. Money invested in the boat will be better spent on a newer model.

The boat has been sinking since 22/23. Starting to sink really fast now especially since December 3rd -15 and 3 points.

[transplant99]

Andersson will be staying IMO.

There are 3 long term Dmen on this club right now with him, Weegar and Bahl.

That leaves 4 open spots to be filled by the prospect base. Beyond Parehk there are none that are close to sure things to make the transition.

You trade Andersson and then spend the next 5 years waiting to find another one through either your own guys or via trade.

There is a ton of room for RA both roster wise AND cap wise.

Top pairing ability guys are hard to find. When you get them, you keep them, or you are forever spinning your wheels looking for their replacements.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well Conory is operating a different way.

From all accounts Treliving was a one man show.

From all accounts? Name one.

Closest I heard was Conroy’s himself saying something along the lines of ‘Treliving’s would sometimes make decisions himself’.

If Treliving was a one man show then what were Snow, Pascal, Maloney, and Conroy doing? And if it is true Treliving was a one man show, why would Conroy now be qualified for the job?

This belief that Treliving was a one man show is dumb.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

From all accounts? Name one.

Closest I heard was Conroy’s himself saying something along the lines of ‘Treliving’s would sometimes make decisions himself’.

If Treliving was a one man show then what were Snow, Pascal, Maloney, and Conroy doing? And if it is true Treliving was a one man show, why would Conroy now be qualified for the job?

This belief that Treliving was a one man show is dumb.

Maloney and Conory.

Pascal was the GM of the Wranglers. Conory did a lot of scouting. Maloney is the in between of GM and ownership don’t think he does much actually. Snow was our analytics guy who provided the staff with info.

Plenty of scouts have been GMs so of course Craig is qualified.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Maloney and Conory.

Pascal was the GM of the Wranglers. Conory did a lot of scouting. Maloney is the in between of GM and ownership don’t think he does much actually. Snow was our analytics guy who provided the staff with info.

Plenty of scouts have been GMs so of course Craig is qualified.

Sounds like he wasn’t a one man show then.

Maloney doesn’t do much? Flames ownership is paying him, what? $200-300K a year just because?

I’d bet all the guys were in constant contact with Trelliving.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Andersson will be staying IMO.

There are 3 long term Dmen on this club right now with him, Weegar and Bahl.

That leaves 4 open spots to be filled by the prospect base. Beyond Parehk there are none that are close to sure things to make the transition.

You trade Andersson and then spend the next 5 years waiting to find another one through either your own guys or via trade.

There is a ton of room for RA both roster wise AND cap wise.

Top pairing ability guys are hard to find. When you get them, you keep them, or you are forever spinning your wheels looking for their replacements.

Don’t think it’s as absolute as this. It still has to fit your competitive window, otherwise what he brings via trade is more valuable to the franchise.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sounds like he wasn’t a one man show then.

Maloney doesn’t do much? Flames ownership is paying him, what? $200-300K a year just because?

I’d bet all the guys were in constant contact with Trelliving.

I meant on the management side I don’t think he actively participates in trade discussions and stuff.

He does what Burke did a sounding board and the go between for management and Edwards.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Andersson will be staying IMO.

There are 3 long term Dmen on this club right now with him, Weegar and Bahl.

That leaves 4 open spots to be filled by the prospect base. Beyond Parehk there are none that are close to sure things to make the transition.

You trade Andersson and then spend the next 5 years waiting to find another one through either your own guys or via trade.

There is a ton of room for RA both roster wise AND cap wise.

Top pairing ability guys are hard to find. When you get them, you keep them, or you are forever spinning your wheels looking for their replacements.

And I generally agree. I also agree that trading value for assets as they line up with our general competitive window also makes sense, you dont want to cut the team down to the bone.

Kadri and Huberdeau dont really matter, they're going to be ancient and on the tail-end of their deals by the time the Flames are even close to ready.

I think that Weegar and Raz are going to be important anchors at the back for that period but they're going to need help. Thing is, if they're not there either it becomes even more problematic.

[stamps]

Good news!!!