American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We weren't even less fortunate at the time, middle class. She'd be dead and I'd be left with a lifetime of debt. Trust me, I looked into it at the time.

To be honest, I think the 'middle' struggle with affordable health care in America. That health care is tied to employment is almost criminal. And I have no doubt your story is accurate.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is health care in the U.S. strictly a federal thing? Like could a state put it in their constitution that universal health care is a basic right and then raise the taxes to support it?

States and local government are mostly responsible for health care, in conjunction with federal. I have no idea how that might work.

Edit: In American fashion, and putting ones own interest first, if you are one of the 65ish % who have access to fabulous health care, you are possibly reluctant to give that up for poorer service though that would benefit others. You probably won't get elected on that platform. And why there was the opposition to Obamacare.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

To be honest, I think the 'middle' struggle with affordable health care in America. That health care is tied to employment is almost criminal. And I have no doubt your story is accurate.

Even in Canada, employee health care coverage is usually far better than you can get on your own. I've had a miserable time dealing with insurance companies I have to deal with. Which is why I advocate for full coverage, not what Canada currently has.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

To be honest, I think the 'middle' struggle with affordable health care in America. That health care is tied to employment is almost criminal.

Healthcare in the U.S. is not exclusively tied to employment. Other options include:

Government programs like Medicaid and Medicare.

Insurance purchased individually on the open market or through ACA exchanges

Subsidized care for veterans through the VA system

Charity care and free clinics.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Healthcare in the U.S. is not exclusively tied to employment. Other options include:

You don’t need AI for this one man, he lives in the US. You could just ask.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Healthcare in the U.S. is not exclusively tied to employment. Other options include:

Where do these quotes keep coming from?

[BigThief]

Without a doubt ChatGPT. When you quote something Mel, you need to show what you're quoting it from.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GGG

Where do these quotes keep coming from?

https://www.usa.gov/benefits

[Dentoman]

I can't stay away from the trainwrecks that are the political threads on CP. Nobody's opinion is gonna be changed, yet you all keep banging away trying. It's hilarious and depressing at the same time. Not sure if I should be ashamed or not for reading them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

ChatGPT has been a godsend to trolls. Mel's output since his return has been insane, there are times I come into the Off Topic and like the last post in the six most recently posted threads are by him. In theory, when AI does half the work for you, you can troll twice as much.

[Bill Bumface]

I asked ChatGPT to turn the Flames schedule into an ical file for me:



In case you were wondering, that was the day of the 8pm game against Nashville.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

https://www.usa.gov/benefits

The text you “quoted”. Does not appear found on that site. So where do those quotes come from?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Healthcare in the U.S. is not exclusively tied to employment. Other options include:

About 60% of Americans medical health insurance is tied to employment. Medicare, which you mentioned, covers seniors. Anyone over the age of 65 (who have met meager employment standards) has government provided health insurance through medicare.
If you are layed off from your work, or fired or whatever, you basically immediately lose your insurance. It's difficult for people who have just lost their job to cover the cost of health insurance. Also understand the all employment in America is 'employment at will' which essentially means you can have your employment terminated without any cause at any time, and without compensation.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is health care in the U.S. strictly a federal thing? Like could a state put it in their constitution that universal health care is a basic right and then raise the taxes to support it?

Obamacare was loosely modelled after a plan in Massachusetts brought in by Governor Mitt Romney. So I guess states do have leeway to create their own plan.

Interestingly, the individual mandate which is a core concept of the ACA was originally a Republican idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

About 60% of Americans medical health insurance is tied to employment. Medicare, which you mentioned, covers seniors. Anyone over the age of 65 (who have met meager employment standards) has government provided health insurance through medicare.
If you are layed off from your work, or fired or whatever, you basically immediately lose your insurance. It's difficult for people who have just lost their job to cover the cost of health insurance. Also understand the all employment in America is 'employment at will' which essentially means you can have your employment terminated without any cause at any time, and without compensation.

How much does this cost employers to provide? I’ve never heard that discussed as another hidden cost of the US system.

[photon]

SCOTUS denies Trump's request to block his sentencing. Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh of course would have blocked it.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

My wife would be dead if we lived in the states, so I personally don't think it's even a debate. It's no contest.

I'm not really buying that if you are saying if you had a good employer based health care plan. A good plan will have an annual out of pocket limit in the 3-4000 range, no upper limit, and limited requirements for pre-approvals. What plan are you comparing it to?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I'm not really buying that if you are saying if you had a good employer based health care plan. A good plan will have an annual out of pocket limit in the 3-4000 range, no upper limit, and limited requirements for pre-approvals. What plan are you comparing it to?

That is if the insurance company doesn't find any reason to deny the claim.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Did you know that Calgary is the 33rd largest city in North America? Here's the list of the top 500;
https://worldpopulationreview.com/ci.../north-america

This is a completely irrelevant contribution to the conversation. Carry on.

Does not count metro areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

[troutman]

Originally Posted by photon

SCOTUS denies Trump's request to block his sentencing. Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh of course would have blocked it.

How dare John and Amy follow the law!