American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

LOL


OG Point: Children die because parents can't afford healthcare in the US
My Point: No they don't, it's the law to not provide emergency care for anyone
Counter Point: They do die but for other reasons (Strawman)
My Point: That is true and that also happens in Canda but that's not what's being discussed

I can only conclude that you are being deliberately obtuse. Let's try that again:

OG Point: Children die because parents can't afford healthcare in the US
My Point: No they don't, it's the law to not provide emergency care for anyone
Counter Point: Children die because parents can't afford simple, preventative healthcare (which prevents horrible and fatal diseases from occurring or progressing past the point of being treatable).
My Point: Blah blah blah.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

LOL


OG Point: Children die because parents can't afford healthcare in the US
My Point: No they don't, it's the law to not provide emergency care for anyone
Counter Point: They do die but for other reasons (Strawman)
My Point: That is true and that also happens in Canda but that's not what's being discussed

Quite frankly their point is a very Canadian perspective on US health care. If you don't have insurance you may have to pay out of pocket for non serious medical care, but again there are a litany of ways to reduce that cost or get it wiped out.

it's just another case of single payer healthcare advocates feeding doom and gloom to the ignorant

Every heard of
Ronald McDonald House

You argue the weirdest points.

Poster A: Elon is worth 11.2 schlabillion dollars
You: You ####ing DOPE!!! He's only worth 11.1. schlabillion. You are sooo disingenuous!!!1

Poster B: Healthcare isn't great in the USA compared to other developed nations.
You: How dare you?

[nfotiu]

I'm far from Mel's side here, but children's Medicaid (and I only have knowledge of Virginia) is generally a good program and free for families making under about 40-50k. It includes dental/prescriptions and is widely accepted.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I'm far from Mel's side here, but children's Medicaid (and I only have knowledge of Virginia) is generally a good program and free for families making under about 40-50k. It includes dental/prescriptions and is widely accepted.

That's good to hear.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

That's good to hear.

You are learning! That is also good to hear.

Not gonna to respond to your last response, cause ya moved the goalposts

Take the L commie

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I'm far from Mel's side here, but children's Medicaid (and I only have knowledge of Virginia) is generally a good program and free for families making under about 40-50k. It includes dental/prescriptions and is widely accepted.

The results are more what matters though. And the mortality rate among U20 year olds in the US is about 45% higher than it is in Canada. And countries with better access to medical care than Canada do even better.

Sure there are other reasons for that like lifestyle. But fundamentally it comes down to the fact that lower income people in the US have significantly poorer access to things like preventative medical care, medication, healthy food, and physical activity opportunities than they do in other industrialized nations.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by opendoor

The results are more what matters though. And the mortality rate among U20 year olds in the US is about 45% higher than it is in Canada. And countries with better access to medical care than Canada do even better.

Sure there are other reasons for that like lifestyle. But fundamentally it comes down to the fact that lower income people in the US have significantly poorer access to things like preventative medical care, medication, healthy food, and physical activity opportunities than they do in other industrialized nations.

If you're including teenagers, I think that might have to due more with guns and cars.

Homicide, suicide and accidents. If you own a gun, you're more likely to shoot someone or yourself by accident than on purpose.
If you drive or get driven more than taking transit, you'll be in accidents.

It's not just better access to medicare, it's better access to the whole social structure of the country.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by troutman

Ontario would be about the fourth or fifth largest state by population on its own. Quebec, BC and Alberta are much bigger than many US states. Alberta has about 10x the population of Wyoming.

I definitely think for historic, population and economic reasons you could not plausibly combine any of BC, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, or Newfoundland in with any other district. You might plausibly make an argument that Manitoba & Saskatchewan could be combined and the NB / NS / PEI could end up as 1 or 2 districts. But Alone 4 of those provinces would still be within the range of middle 3rd population states, so it's wholly implausible that any lines would change except a very controversial decision to roll PEI into New Brunswick.

That's where I got the number 7 minimum from, but if you're taking Trump seriously, it's not even a real conversation without 18+ senate seats, and you're a asking Canada to create some very real representation issues with the Territories. I think the Americans who are all giddy talking about this dumb idea, don't have a complete comprehension of that.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

If you're including teenagers, I think that might have to due more with guns and cars.

Homicide, suicide and accidents. If you own a gun, you're more likely to shoot someone or yourself by accident than on purpose.
If you drive or get driven more than taking transit, you'll be in accidents.

It's not just better access to medicare, it's better access to the whole social structure of the country.

The 5-year cohorts within that group show roughly the same discrepancy though. 1-4 and 5-9 year olds in the US have a ~40% higher mortality rate than in Canada.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You are learning! That is also good to hear.

Not gonna to respond to your last response, cause ya moved the goalposts

Take the L commie

[activeStick]

Does it bother anyone else that in response to threats from America that they're going to make us their 51st state, some of our leaders respond by calling them our best friend? I understand Canada isn't a "big boy" on the world stage relatively and isn't going to scare anyone, and I'm not expecting the response to be anything of a threatening nature, but calling them our best friend is irritating, but also not all that surprising to me.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Does it bother anyone else that in response to threats from America that they're going to make us their 51st state, some of our leaders respond by calling them our best friend? I understand Canada isn't a "big boy" on the world stage relatively and isn't going to scare anyone, and I'm not expecting the response to be anything of a threatening nature, but calling them our best friend is irritating, but also not all that surprising to me.

Have you heard that in some way besides in the context of “we’re your best friend, stop being a dick”?

I think the majority of leaders have told Trump to knock it off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Does it bother anyone else that in response to threats from America that they're going to make us their 51st state, some of our leaders respond by calling them our best friend? I understand Canada isn't a "big boy" on the world stage relatively and isn't going to scare anyone, and I'm not expecting the response to be anything of a threatening nature, but calling them our best friend is irritating, but also not all that surprising to me.

It bothers me seeing these idiots going on Fox news and getting trolled and create sound bites.

How about just shut the #### up and do your job. Doug Ford being the idiot he is.

Also seeing our idiot premier going to Trumps inauguration. Like why? Are you going to be on your knees begging him to be your friend?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Does it bother anyone else that in response to threats from America that they're going to make us their 51st state, some of our leaders respond by calling them our best friend? I understand Canada isn't a "big boy" on the world stage relatively and isn't going to scare anyone, and I'm not expecting the response to be anything of a threatening nature, but calling them our best friend is irritating, but also not all that surprising to me.

We aren't your buddy guy!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It bothers me seeing these idiots going on Fox news and getting trolled and create sound bites.

How about just shut the #### up and do your job. Doug Ford being the idiot he is.

Also seeing our idiot premier going to Trumps inauguration. Like why? Are you going to be on your knees begging him to be your friend?

they will kiss his ass for a couple years (or less) until he is a lame duck president with no real power

[Paulie Walnuts]

We should be threatening Trump. Maybe we should take over the US we need another province to balance things out. Premier Donald Trump of the great province of America.

Americans will be introduced to health care and safe schools, parents won't have to worry sending kids to school.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It bothers me seeing these idiots going on Fox news and getting trolled and create sound bites.

How about just shut the #### up and do your job. Doug Ford being the idiot he is.

Also seeing our idiot premier going to Trumps inauguration. Like why? Are you going to be on your knees begging him to be your friend?

Yeah, I don't like how he keeps doing his media appearances on Fox, MSNBC, etc. but I actually appreciate his response compared to the other premiers (like Alberta) as he's been firm and strong. He too though keeps calling them our best friend ugh. We get it, we're close, save that for when they aren't threatening us.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It bothers me seeing these idiots going on Fox news and getting trolled and create sound bites.

How about just shut the #### up and do your job. Doug Ford being the idiot he is.

Also seeing our idiot premier going to Trumps inauguration. Like why? Are you going to be on your knees begging him to be your friend?

Wha? Is that actually happening?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Wha? Is that actually happening?

I'm sure she is paying her own way.........

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You argue the weirdest points.

Poster A: Elon is worth 11.2 schlabillion dollars
You: You ####ing DOPE!!! He's only worth 11.1. schlabillion. You are sooo disingenuous!!!1

Poster B: Healthcare isn't great in the USA compared to other developed nations.
You: How dare you?

not to mention his hero wants to CUT government healthcare spending...along with everything else.

If only Mexico had paid for that wall