American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Let's unpack the lies here

1. Elon Musk doesn't have 415.8B. Please educate yourself on what wealth means, its not cash.

2. Children do not die in the US because their parents can't pay medical bills.

Educate yourself



https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulat...ment-labor-act

Thanks Republicans !



https://www.healthcare.gov/medicaid-...rance-program/

Stop spreading misinformation.

1. I don't believe the original post claimed Elon had 415.8B 'in cash' or even any other type of liquid assest. Most people are aware that numbers like this are mostly based on stock valuations. However, that's not the point nor does it really matter. Elon is worth close to half a trillion dollars while many in the same country starve and die from lack of money and resources! Furthermore, value like this is probably better than cash anyway because as we know billionaires don't use their own money anyway. They use their valuations to expand their businesses, buy new ones, and continue to increase their valuations. And the cycle repeats.

2. Children (and adults) ABSOLUTELY die because they can't afford medical care. You forget that many people who are poor don't seek out medical care because they know it will bankrupt them afterwards, hoping their condition or sickness will get better on it's own, or just resigning to put up with it. In a system where health care costs so much children ABSOLUTELY die because the system is so scary, so daunting, and so expensive, it often feels like it makes more sense to just ignore it.

But even understanding that, YOUR OWN QUOTE says that 'life-saving care is GENERALLY provided...' Hardly a strong endorsement of the law and system you are trying to defend.

Sure the law may say that, but in a system where money is king, it doesn't work that way in practice.

Thanks Republicans!

You get all of this wrong and then you have the arrogance to tell others to educate themselves and to stop spreading misinformation.

Well Mel, I would say that perhaps YOU should educate yourself. And that YOU definitely should stop spreading misinformation. (Not to mention misquoting people)

But we've seen your posting for years and know that won't happen. So I'll just say, continue being a great example of the Dunning-Krugar Effect!

[Gordon Bombay]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The US ranks 57th in infant mortality, the lowest in the developed world, you have a better chance of surving childbirth in Serbia than the US, so yes Children do die in the US because their parents can't afford health care, that a hospital doesn't turn away a kid in a car crash doesn't alter the fact that children die because their mothers dont get prenatel care, kids dont get taken to the Doctors for a routine check up so their cancers go undiagnosed until its to late.

Canada and the US basically have the same infant mortality rates from the 2 sites I checked. US having one more death per one thousand births.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Gordon Bombay

Canada and the US basically have the same infant mortality rates from the 2 sites I checked. US having one more death per one thousand births.

No, one death per thousand isn't 'basically the same', Canada is poor for a developed country, we have been slipping some, mostly due to the difficulty of providing healthcare to rural first nations community's but the US's 5.5 is getting into poor for a developing nation edging into average for the 3rd world

Good is 1.5, decent (most of Europe) is 3, were 4.5 and the US is teetering on the edge of the abyss that is places like Argentina Peru and Brazil

This for the richest country in the world who population on paper earns much more than we do, money should buy health but Canadians live 3 years longer than Americans on average, 3 years is a massive difference, we would normally need a biblical plague to drop us down into what is an average year for the US

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Alberta and Saskatchewan give them oil, wheat, potash, uranium, and a reasonably reliable republican vote, worst-case a red-leaning swing state. And both have premiers who would go for it. That’s the end game IMO.

Water too and a younger educated population.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Finish him!

Please...somebody. Dude is thicker than bitumen.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Gordon Bombay

Canada and the US basically have the same infant mortality rates from the 2 sites I checked. US having one more death per one thousand births.

You do get some points for the Gin references though, personally I would have gone with Gordon Gilbey, rolls off the tongue slightly better

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The US ranks 57th in infant mortality, the lowest in the developed world, you have a better chance of surving childbirth in Serbia than the US, so yes Children do die in the US because their parents can't afford health care, that a hospital doesn't turn away a kid in a car crash doesn't alter the fact that children die because their mothers dont get prenatel care, kids dont get taken to the Doctors for a routine check up so their cancers go undiagnosed until its to late.

Terrible. Clearly has to have something to do with wealth imbalance and access to quality care. Or just stupidity possibly.

What's Canada's reason for being only about 10 spots better?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by #-3

Not to say that I think it's a good idea to even engage with the crap this guy spews. But I think we are approaching this wrong, If Canada is going to to joist the states it's not 51, it's 51-63. We want 26 senate seats, that's right even give 2 to Nunavut. Those are our terms.

No. There are no terms.

We aren't the United States and never will be unless they overtake us by force. But that is a fallacy given the extent of how our militaries are intertwined. It's just silly that these is even a conversation at it is clearly a distraction from other matters.

Like the tariffs, Ukraine, H1B, etc.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Terrible. Clearly has to have something to do with wealth imbalance and access to quality care. Or just stupidity possibly.

What's Canada's reason for being only about 10 spots better?

Good article discussing it, the issues Canada has and the difference in how stats are collecting in the EU which makes the number not directly comparable. Assuming it applies to the US number too.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/infan...nada-1.6772351

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Terrible. Clearly has to have something to do with wealth imbalance and access to quality care. Or just stupidity possibly.

What's Canada's reason for being only about 10 spots better?

there are only 197 or so countries so 10 places is a significant improvement mind you

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Please...somebody. Dude is thicker than bitumen.

Well at his press conference a few days back the orange moron looks like he is on his last legs. Mel can go back into hiding again when he dies.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Well at his press conference a few days back the orange moron looks like he is on his last legs. Mel can go back into hiding again when he dies.

This is one thing that no one is talking about. Trump is 78 years old and does not look healthy at all. And don't even get me started on his mental decline. Is he even gonna last the next 4 years? Are we gonna get President JD Vance soon? Sure seems like it.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

No. There are no terms.

We aren't the United States and never will be unless they overtake us by force. But that is a fallacy given the extent of how our militaries are intertwined. It's just silly that these is even a conversation at it is clearly a distraction from other matters.

Like the tariffs, Ukraine, H1B, etc.

Sorry that was kind of an ill founded joke, in the guise of making the the Americans fantasy a little less palatable to them.

But in the sense of needing to take Trump seriously because while the guy is a joke his words have serious consequences, it's not like we would even consider a world where Alberta, Quebec and Ontario needed to share representation in a legislative body, so the idea of talking about a 51st state is kind of a joke. because Canada would need to be split into at least 7-10 divisions just from a governance prospective.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by #-3

Sorry that was kind of an ill founded joke, in the guise of making the the Americans fantasy a little less palatable to them.

But in the sense of needing to take Trump seriously because while the guy is a joke his words have serious consequences, it's not like we would even consider a world where Alberta, Quebec and Ontario needed to share representation in a legislative body, so the idea of talking about a 51st state is kind of a joke. because Canada would need to be split into at least 7-10 divisions just from a governance prospective.

I've been making the macabre joke that we're at least 4 states for a while. Probably 5 if you consider the maritimes as one, but perhaps you'd just add them to maine or something. lol

[Johnny Makarov]

lol. The US under democrat rule is already a kyithole 3rd world country. Trump's 2nd term.... hahahahhah

Yes lets join this clownshow not serious country!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by #-3

Sorry that was kind of an ill founded joke, in the guise of making the the Americans fantasy a little less palatable to them.

But in the sense of needing to take Trump seriously because while the guy is a joke his words have serious consequences, it's not like we would even consider a world where Alberta, Quebec and Ontario needed to share representation in a legislative body, so the idea of talking about a 51st state is kind of a joke. because Canada would need to be split into at least 7-10 divisions just from a governance prospective.

Ontario would be about the fourth or fifth largest state by population on its own. Quebec, BC and Alberta are much bigger than many US states. Alberta has about 10x the population of Wyoming.

[WideReceiver]

Why are you guys even speculating about how we’d fit into the U.S. It’s not happening. Debate something believable like should the Flames tank to start to become a serious contender.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Daradon

1. I don't believe the original post claimed Elon had 415.8B 'in cash'

Without saying as much, its let's put a tax on wealth to fund healthcare so children don't die...Elon doesn't have 415 billion in taxable income and furthermore he just paid 11 billion in taxes.

There are already a litany of programs in place to help people who can't pay, they should probably do some research instead of listening to the media and people like you guys who fear monger about American Healthcare system. It's not perfect, but people should be talking about the litany of programs available if you are in that position.

Originally Posted by Daradon

2. Children (and adults) ABSOLUTELY die because they can't afford medical care. You forget that many people who are poor don't seek out medical care because they know it will bankrupt them afterwards, hoping their condition or sickness will get better on it's own, or just resigning to put up with it. In a system where health care costs so much children ABSOLUTELY die because the system is so scary, so daunting, and so expensive, it often feels like it makes more sense to just ignore it.

You are kinda alll over the place here, going from children to adults to children.

Again there is a law in the US as i linked to in my previous post,

In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay.

I am not going to dispute that some people die because they don't seek medical attention because it happens in Canada for some of the same reasons. But that is a personal decision, if you have a medicaly emergency in the USA you can get treatment without having to worry about paying. It's all outlined in that link, So not being able to pay is not an excuse. And children are not dying because of lack of funds or even because Elon has 400+ billion in paper.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Dunning-Krugar Effect!

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a statistical artifact, you could of just said you are stupid!

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Without saying as much, its let's put a tax on wealth to fund healthcare so children don't die...Elon doesn't have 415 billion in taxable income and furthermore he just paid 11 billion in taxes.

There are already a litany of programs in place to help people who can't pay, they should probably do some research instead of listening to the media and people like you guys who fear monger about American Healthcare system. It's not perfect, but people should be talking about the litany of programs available if you are in that position.

People shouldn't be talking about the reasons why people end up in that position in the first place?

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You are kinda alll over the place here, going from children to adults to children.

Again there is a law in the US as i linked to in my previous post,



I am not going to dispute that some people die because they don't seek medical attention because it happens in Canada for some of the same reasons. But that is a personal decision, if you have a medicaly emergency in the USA you can get treatment without having to worry about paying. It's all outlined in that link, So not being able to pay is not an excuse. And children are not dying because of lack of funds or even because Elon has 400+ billion in paper.

Did you even read his post? This isn't responsive to his argument at all.

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a statistical artifact, you could of just said you are stupid!

LOL.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

People shouldn't be talking about the reasons why people end up in that position in the first place?



Did you even read his post? This isn't their response to his argument at all.

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LOL


OG Point: Children die because parents can't afford healthcare in the US
My Point: No they don't, it's the law to not provide emergency care for anyone
Counter Point: They do die but for other reasons (Strawman)
My Point: That is true and that also happens in Canda but that's not what's being discussed

Quite frankly their point is a very Canadian perspective on US health care. If you don't have insurance you may have to pay out of pocket for non serious medical care, but again there are a litany of ways to reduce that cost or get it wiped out.

it's just another case of single payer healthcare advocates feeding doom and gloom to the ignorant

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