Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The policy was divisive by design in pinning the haves vs the have nots, rich neighbour vs poor neighbour.
This Liberal regime did this a lot and were never shy about blaming landlords, business owners, small corporations, anyone with investments for all of our problems.

They were divisive.

They like pitting regions of the country against each other too.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Rightfully or wrongfully things feel different with Trudeau from a separation and division. The level of acting and nonsense that has come from him is on a different level. His level of unpopularity with virtually everybody is really low, as in he is just beyond disliked.

I say it myself personally, all politicians are pigs and all pigs have the same noses. They all lie, cheat and BS without a doubt. Comparing Trudeau to other Canadian PM's we have had things are different with him. He get's openly mocked from people from the left now for things like Blackface, playing the feminist card while railroading women and abusing them. His handling of a lot of important files has left a lot of people beyond frustrated and desperate.

American and European's who look at Canada fondly are all asking why is there such vitriol towards him? Why is he beyond hated by a lot of people who actually voted for him. I believe it was a CBC interview with him where they asked why this is so personal? People can't comprehend the reaction.

He has brought out a reaction in people where they despise him. I don't agree with it at all but look at Trump and Musk. These are people who have far more important things to worry about in their lives but are taking pleasure in openly mocking him. No other Canadian PM would ever garner this level of harassment and attention from people in positions like Trump or Musk. I will repeat I do not agree with it but it's only happening to Trudeau because it's him.

Trump, who is beyond hated to a degree that isn't healthy for a lot of people, call it 50% of America, has 50% of America with support. Trudeau doesn't even have his own people and party.

Trump and Musk (is he an elected official now?) are wealthy and powerful internet edgelords who have expressed disdain for many more people than just Trudeau. There's no guarantees they won't start taking pot shots at Pollievre if he actually needs to stand up to them. There's a lot of reasons not to like Trudeau but these guys dunking on him is not evidence of anything other than their own lack of maturity or tact. Let's not act like the incoming US administration is normal.

[Goriders]

He’s chirping Gavin Newsome right now too. Probably not the best timing.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The policy was divisive by design in pinning the haves vs the have nots, rich neighbour vs poor neighbour.
This Liberal regime did this a lot and were never shy about blaming landlords, business owners, small corporations, anyone with investments for all of our problems.

They were divisive.

At least they were being honest. If you want to get more money for the poor, you have to claw it back from the rich.

Compared to the political right these days blaming all of our problems on trans and immigrants, like that is going to help put dinner on the table of people struggling...

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

At least they were being honest. If you want to get more money for the poor, you have to claw it back from the rich.

Or you can give them more tax breaks.

And you can cut out the Financial Imperialism

Minister Guilbeault travels to Ghana and announces $20 million to help four African countries with data systems needed to fight climate change

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...te-change.html

Canada announces $15 million in additional assistance for Lebanon and matching of donations to Canadian Red Cross and Humanitarian Coalition

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affa...coalition.html

[Fuzz]

You know the poor pay very few taxes, right? How much extra do you think someone making below the poverty line could save by not paying any tax? Let us know the big numbers once you've mathed them out.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Why is it deeply unpopular?

Because it’s a tax, and Canadians have grown to hate paying taxes as much as Americans do. Of course we also expect European-quality public services. I’m sure it won’t be hard for Poilievre to square that circle.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You know the poor pay very few taxes, right? How much extra do you think someone making below the poverty line could save by not paying any tax? Let us know the big numbers once you've mathed them out.

Well i guess they now have incentive to better themselves if able.

[Fuzz]

And if they aren't, through no fault of their own?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And if they aren't, through no fault of their own?

Clear the answer is Fcuk them

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think #### Trudeau was an appropriate way to express dissatisfaction with policy? Why do you think the hated of Trudeau became much more personal then it did with Mulruny Campbell, Chrétien Martin, Harper, or even Trudeau Sr?

Yes. It was the perfect way to express dissatisfaction.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Clear the answer is Fcuk them

I'm seeing if I can walk him there with the right density of breadcrumbs.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Yes. It was the perfect way to express dissatisfaction.

...for a toddler.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/maxfawcett..../3lfbtme7gus2s

This is exactly what I mean, and the chunder heads eat this #### up while your precious Conservative leaders lend them legitimacy. Stop being useless idiots.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

At least they were being honest. If you want to get more money for the poor, you have to claw it back from the rich.

But they didn't claw it back from the rich, did they?
The real rich in this country; grocery, banks, telecommunications did just fine.
The people close to the Liberals got big contracts, scandal money, all sorts of financial waste.

The people I listed may be richer than the poor but they're a broad group of Canadians from middle to upper middle class.
JT's Liberals were good at pinning the middle 40% vs the bottom 40% while the top 20% laughed at us.

Compared to the political right these days blaming all of our problems on trans and immigrants, like that is going to help put dinner on the table of people struggling...

Sure, I'm not defending them.
I can criticise this government without needing whatabouts.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

At least they were being honest. If you want to get more money for the poor, you have to claw it back from the rich.

Compared to the political right these days blaming all of our problems on trans and immigrants, like that is going to help put dinner on the table of people struggling...

Or you stop bloating the government itself and our national debt. Or printing so much currency that it devalues our dollar.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And if they aren't, through no fault of their own?

nah you're right, nanny state for all!

You should read up on the Final Boss for Nany States, it worked out well!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm just pointing out reality.

Are you pointing our reality or are you experiencing things differently? I actually ask you this question cause some of the things you are saying are not rooted in reality.

Trudeau is going out in a lot of ways a winner, he never lost an election. Although Harper was PM longer and lost, Trudeau has been in power from 2015-2025.

What has actually happened is that there has been such an open revolt within his own caucus, MP's, donors and party officials that it's actually shocking his fall from grace.

There is a parade of MP's from Liberal ridings, safe Liberal ridings who are telling him he has to go. It's over, move on, the fat lady has sung.

He was effectively removed as party leader but given the courtesy to resign. This is the hockey equivalent of the players shutting the door on a coach/GM and the players and the fan's having quit virtually 100%

He isn't wanted by his own people and party. They are done with him. Look what happened when his useless Finance Minister and Deputy PM pulled the rug from under him that day! She had the guts and the support to walk into a room and get a standing ovation from MP's and then went and hugged him while he was all smiles.

Trudeau's wings and n**s were clipped by his #2. This happens all the time in business, in politics, in sports and in the mafia.

Your trying to turn an 80 year old former oil guy in Gwyn Morgan into some global political player. He isn't George Soros, The Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Elon Musk or other power brokers.

On the balance of probabilities, you should probably listen to leaders of the opposition including a shocking amount of progressive MP's and people who say Trudeau is really that bad and needed to go ages ago.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

But they didn't claw it back from the rich, did they?
The real rich in this country; grocery, banks, telecommunications did just fine.
The people close to the Liberals got big contracts, scandal money, all sorts of financial waste.

The people I listed may be richer than the poor but they're a broad group of Canadians from middle to upper middle class.
JT's Liberals were good at pinning the middle 40% vs the bottom 40% while the top 20% laughed at us.


Sure, I'm not defending them.
I can criticise this government without needing whatabouts.

The hike on capital gains tax was a step in that direction. The conservatives predictably voted against it.

What will PP do? Lower corporate income tax? That old chestnut has never ceased to be the solution for everything.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes, it's almost like an entire industry, complete with it's own flag factory sprung up to make sure all the simpletons knew who to hate for their woes. No other Canadian politician has had to face so many RW propaganda outlets that have been elevated and promoted by his political rivals. You will say they are the symptom, the reality is they are the cause, and all you have to do is follow the money to the doorstep of propaganda purchasers like Gwynn Morgan.

He’s a Trudeau - He was hated before he was born. The most divisive child in Canadian history.