Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess if you put any faith in the polls there are a lot of idiots in canada. Because the seat totals are going to be in the 245 range for PP and 6 for the Liberals.

Thank god for idiots.

I'm willing to bet $5000 that the Liberals are going to win more than 6 seats.... lol

and yes there are a ton of idiots in Canada. To start... an antivax Riders fan. haha

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

These might be a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway.

Can the Governor General refuse the PM's request to prorogue parliament if it isn't really in the best interest of the people at this time? Like seriously, this is a Liberal Party problem right now and it seems really unfair to not have our government working over the next few months. I know it would be unprecedented, but the GG is technically above the PM, and there seems to be too much at stake to prorogue parliament for what is essentially an internal party problem.

Even if having parliament ends up forcing an election, to frickin' bad for the Liberals. Pick a leader quickly, or have the election without one. Heck, they'd probably actually do better.

Opinion piece that believes not only could she refuse to prorogue, but that she should have done so.

So given what we know — that the current government is on its last legs, that the other leaders in Parliament have announced publicly their lack of confidence — for a governor general to prorogue Parliament and allow the Liberal government to escape a vote of confidence would be a betrayal of the very system of government the governor general has been put in a position of authority to protect.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...ape-parliament

[PepsiFree]

The National Post opinion column is just “right wing rage bait.” Only suckers read that nonsense.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

There’s nothing to negotiate.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...iffs-1.7423756

The tariff issue is really the biggest tragedy for Canada in how Trudeau exited. Canada needs leadership that has a mandate to navigate the next few months starting basically yesterday (now is the next best time). You can expect pretty much as a certainty, a 25% tariff on all CAD exports to the US starting in two weeks and lasting at minimum most of the year to allow for a Liberal Leadership contest, parliament to come back to session, a non-confidence vote to occur, at minimum a 30-day election, and finally a new government to form and get started. So at least June before anyone can actually even begin to seriously engage with the US on trade and then however long that takes with whatever new items Trump feels increasingly emboldened to extract.

Regardless of the impact of the eventual deal end result, the massive delay in it's own right will cost the Canadian economy at least tens of billions. That's going to be many lost jobs, many more families struggling for longer than necessary. And for what?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

When their entire personality is based around one person, it's only natural for them to have an existential crisis when that person will remove themselves from their life.

What are they supposed to do with all that merch?

Can we expect a bunch of kids in under developed countries running around with F Trudeau T-shirts?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Trudeau’s arrogance and ego was his ultimate demise. He essentially turned his back on what Canadians wanted in pursuit of a legacy. His policies became grossly unpopular as they didn’t reflect the current economic situation of households. The damage has been done to the Liberal brand and I’m sure Canadians won’t be forgiving at the polls even if the new leader distances himself from Trudeau.

I do love the post lamenting the current economic situation of households is authored by Ferrari.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I'm willing to bet $5000 that the Liberals are going to win more than 6 seats.... lol

and yes there are a ton of idiots in Canada. To start... an antivax Riders fan. haha

Aren’t you the same guy who said PP will NEVER be Prime Minister of Canada?

Ya, your hot takes have been pretty spot on!!

Who are you voting for, and why?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The National Post opinion column is just “right wing rage bait.” Only suckers read that nonsense.

Come on Pepsi, they have some deep thinkers there, who, while they may not agree, continue to keep up the decorum of good political writing, and can do so with pride.

she has allowed herself and her office to be used as the Liberal party’s stool-pigeon.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...iffs-1.7423756

The tariff issue is really the biggest tragedy for Canada in how Trudeau exited. Canada needs leadership that has a mandate to navigate the next few months starting basically yesterday (now is the next best time). You can expect pretty much as a certainty, a 25% tariff on all CAD exports to the US starting in two weeks and lasting at minimum most of the year to allow for a Liberal Leadership contest, parliament to come back to session, a non-confidence vote to occur, at minimum a 30-day election, and finally a new government to form and get started. So at least June before anyone can actually even begin to seriously engage with the US on trade and then however long that takes with whatever new items Trump feels increasingly emboldened to extract.

Regardless of the impact of the eventual deal end result, the massive delay in it's own right will cost the Canadian economy at least tens of billions. That's going to be many lost jobs, many more families struggling for longer than necessary. And for what?

This isn't necessarily bad. Perhaps better to let this blow up in America's face for a few months vs entering negotiations that can only leave us worse off than now.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This isn't necessarily bad. Perhaps better to let this blow up in America's face for a few months vs entering negotiations that can only leave us worse off than now.

This isn't a real thought out perspective to take. Canadian business is going to bear the brunt of the tariff and there won't be a mandated government to take any counter measures against the US to have it (Blow up in the US's face).

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This isn't necessarily bad. Perhaps better to let this blow up in America's face for a few months vs entering negotiations that can only leave us worse off than now.

So having nobody at the negotiating table is better than having the Liberals negotiating on behalf of Canada? Interesting take.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So having nobody at the negotiating table is better than having the Liberals negotiating on behalf of Canada? Interesting take.

I was actually envisioning no one a better option than Pierre. I do not trust him at all, because he does not think experts are worth listening too, and will be negotiating by his principles, which are frankly a bit "wacko".

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Aren’t you the same guy who said PP will NEVER be Prime Minister of Canada?

Ya, your hot takes have been pretty spot on!!

Who are you voting for, and why?

Yeah and i'm still pretty confident of that. and you have to be a pretty big rube to think the Cons are going to win 246 seats! even with blackface in charge.

I'll vote for anyone that's not a deplorable mother trucker with solutions and is not a whiny little bitch every press conference.

Why are you voting for PP? because he gave you an olive branch in Ottawa?

[Jacks]

Didn't see this posted yet. No time to make fixes I guess.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...risk-1.7424035

Liberals say no changes coming for leadership race, despite risk of foreign interference


The Liberal Party of Canada will be the first federal party to hold a leadership contest since the Hogue Commission on foreign interference revealed meddling by foreign governments in previous races, and there is every reason to expect governments that have sought to meddle in the past will continue to try to influence outcomes.
The Liberal Party told CBC News on Monday that it doesn't intend to change or reinterpret rules in its 2016 constitution that Elections Canada has suggested could make the vote be at least as vulnerable to such efforts as previous leadership races.
That includes allowing international students to vote at a time when the number of people in the country who are neither citizens nor permanent residents has continued to grow, despite sharp cuts in the approval rates of new student visas.
Statistics Canada says there are now more than three million non-permanent residents living in Canada.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

PP sitting at the table now would be great, you get a chance to see if he is, in fact, wacko before the election, and if he bungles the whole thing that's something to run on for the other guys. Like a trial run where he only gets to mess with one thing.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

PP sitting at the table now would be great, you get a chance to see if he is, in fact, wacko before the election, and if he bungles the whole thing that's something to run on for the other guys. Like a trial run where he only gets to mess with one thing.

PP would be great for negotiating with Trump. He will up with the tariffs imposed on Cdn goods to 35%.

at least Trump had the experience of running businesses. Mini Trump is a career politician with his only real job working at Kobe Beef when he was a student at the U of C.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...iffs-1.7423756

The tariff issue is really the biggest tragedy for Canada in how Trudeau exited. Canada needs leadership that has a mandate to navigate the next few months starting basically yesterday (now is the next best time). You can expect pretty much as a certainty, a 25% tariff on all CAD exports to the US starting in two weeks and lasting at minimum most of the year to allow for a Liberal Leadership contest, parliament to come back to session, a non-confidence vote to occur, at minimum a 30-day election, and finally a new government to form and get started. So at least June before anyone can actually even begin to seriously engage with the US on trade and then however long that takes with whatever new items Trump feels increasingly emboldened to extract.

Regardless of the impact of the eventual deal end result, the massive delay in it's own right will cost the Canadian economy at least tens of billions. That's going to be many lost jobs, many more families struggling for longer than necessary. And for what?

OK, but to me, there are a couple of considerations here. First, the government can continue to negotiate and deal with the US. Like them or not, they are still the government, and they still have authority. It's not like they all leave for vacation because of this (although if you're a CPC MP in Alberta, you could, and we all know that you'll win your seat anyway!).

But the truth is, it's in the Liberals' best interest to get some kind of agreement or carve-out. This would let them campaign on that, and it would obviously be positive. I realize that this is largely out of their control, just as it would be if the CPC was in power.

This brings me to another point. Despite how they're seen at home, the Trudeau Liberals were regarded as having dealt well with the Trump administration. A couple of weeks ago, the Globe and Mail published a piece about the Canadian negotiators (led by Freeland), and I saw an article this morning on Bloomberg that called them the "American whisperers."

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Can we expect a bunch of kids in under developed countries running around with F Trudeau T-shirts?

Lol! When he flies off to Rwanda or wherever to hang out with his WE buddies just carpet bomb the place with them...just throw boxes of them out of the back of a plane. That would be hilarious!!

Gotta do something with them...

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yeah and i'm still pretty confident of that. and you have to be a pretty big rube to think the Cons are going to win 246 seats! even with blackface in charge.

I'll vote for anyone that's not a deplorable mother trucker with solutions and is not a whiny little bitch every press conference.

Why are you voting for PP? because he gave you an olive branch in Ottawa?

Still pretty confident PP will never be Prime Minister? Ok.

So I guess you just don’t vote? Hahaha

It’s ok if you are afraid to say. I understand.

Never been to Ottawa, but I bet its nice there.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Opinion piece that believes not only could she refuse to prorogue, but that she should have done so.



https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...ape-parliament

We have long ago decided that the Governor General is a ceremonial role in our politics - one of non-interference.

This was a huge sticking point to the Treaty of Westminster and the Imperial Conferences in the 1920s, all set off by the King-Byng affair, when the GG refused PM King's request to call an election.

The resulting fallout had wide reaching ramifications for most commonwealth parliaments in how the GG, and the Crown, are viewed.

We can't just change that now because some conservatives are mad.

As Pepsi mentioned, Natpo is no longer even a viable news source. It was once readable (the days under Andrew Coyne) but has since become a rag (some would argue it always has been)