Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

And people say this country isn't divided. your part of the problem, not part of a solution.

The country is already divided. Confederation is a delusion and really always has been.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The country is already divided. Confederation is a delusion and really always has been.

So can we stop the equalization payments then??

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The country is already divided. Confederation is a delusion and really always has been.

The country is divided on the internet, when you go outside and touch grass, most folks get along like nothing is happening.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think someone like Carney will shore up things enough to hold opposition, but with an excellent campaign and a few PP stumbles a majority is in question.

Whoever takes over, there is a very thin path to success. As much as the Liberals will hate it, the leader will almost have to run an anti-Trudeau campaign as opposed to an anti-PP campaign. Hard to see that being easy for them without a total reset inspired by a loss.

This is a virtually impossible task. We just saw Kamala try to walk that line and fall miserably.

You can't run on change when you supported the status quo for a decade.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The country is already divided.

Agreed, 10 provinces and 3 territories at the last count.

Confederation is a delusion and really always has been.

Are there very many examples of democracies that have had 100% consensus in an election?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Agreed, 10 provinces and 3 territories at the last count.



Are there very many examples of democracies that have had 100% consensus in an election?

North Korea

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Agreed, 10 provinces and 3 territories at the last count.



Are there very many examples of democracies that have had 100% consensus in an election?

Putin gets like 93% in a democratic Russia, and the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea has a near 100% consensus.......

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is a virtually impossible task. We just saw Kamala try to walk that line and fall miserably.

You can't run on change when you supported the status quo for a decade.

I think it depends for who. Someone like Carney (who lived on another continent for most of Trudeau's time in power) has a lot better chance of doing it than someone like Freeland (who was there beside Trudeau pretty much the entire time).

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by SebC

Harper set the proroguing to avoid a loss of confidence precedent. It was anti-democratic then and it's anti-democratic now, but I'm glad to see it come back to bite the Cons in the butt.

Also, its worth noting this was done 6 weeks after the cons had won a minority government. The opposing parties formed a coalition against the minority. 6 weeks and demand a new election they had just lost.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is a virtually impossible task. We just saw Kamala try to walk that line and fall miserably.

You can't run on change when you supported the status quo for a decade.

That’s why the Liberals need to go outside cabinet for the next leader. It can’t be someone to has to tread the line while worrying about being too critical of the government they had a heavy hand in without cutting their own credibility out at the knees.

Harris was the VP. There’s only so much she can say about the incumbent without it being a direct, negative reflection of her own work.

I wouldn’t say it’s virtually impossible, but it is unlikely.

[Jacks]

You gotta think Leblanc runs for leader, does he step down from cabinet?
He's pretty much the minister of everything right now.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think someone like Carney will shore up things enough to hold opposition, but with an excellent campaign and a few PP stumbles a majority is in question.

Whoever takes over, there is a very thin path to success. As much as the Liberals will hate it, the leader will almost have to run an anti-Trudeau campaign as opposed to an anti-PP campaign. Hard to see that being easy for them without a total reset inspired by a loss.

I’d disagree with you on the liberal campaign approach. If they adopted an anti-JT stance as their focus, it would be easy for the cons to counter that by simply saying they are still the same liberal party with a new leader.

I think the plan should be show how the party is improved under new leadership and better than the JT liberals, continue down the anti PP path (trucker convoy supporter, anti vax) and make strides to show that the new liberals want to focus on immigration and cost of living. That could win Canadians over.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think it depends for who. Someone like Carney (who lived on another continent for most of Trudeau's time in power) has a lot better chance of doing it than someone like Freeland (who was there beside Trudeau pretty much the entire time).

It could easily turn into Ignatieff 2.0 though. Dust off those "he didn't come back for you" ads.

[Sylvanfan]

I think this gives Trump three more months where he mocks Trudeau and at least has the Leaders name right.

Find me a third term Prime Minister from the last 60 years who didn't completely fall out of favor. I have no doubt that the next person who wins three terms will do exactly the same thing and stay on too long.

Politicians who don't get drunk with power are few and far between.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The country is already divided. Confederation is a delusion and really always has been.

Please elaborate on what you mean by this, or is it just an Alberta separatist talking point?

[Paulie Walnuts]

People wanted him to resign, when he does, they bitch he resigned and didn't run.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

North Korea

So a little division isn’t a bad thing

[shotinthebacklund]

Will be some intriguing strategy for the Liberals here. Any leadership race is going to have members that have been associated with the current Liberal party, hard to dissociate people from the disaster that's been running this party.

Other option is a high profile outsider with limited to no political experience.

Maybe a well liked Liberal back bench is a option?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

People wanted him to resign, when he does, they bitch he resigned and didn't run.

Well, he didn't just resign, he prorogued parliament for 77 days.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think someone like Carney will shore up things enough to hold opposition, but with an excellent campaign and a few PP stumbles a majority is in question.

Whoever takes over, there is a very thin path to success. As much as the Liberals will hate it, the leader will almost have to run an anti-Trudeau campaign as opposed to an anti-PP campaign. Hard to see that being easy for them without a total reset inspired by a loss.

Do you think the current group of MP's is going to like this? In a way any politician wants to desperately hold onto power. But they also tend to have massive ego's and can't really handle criticism constructively.

I read a piece this morning about a presentation that Carney did last year to Liberal M.P.s being not well received. It was called boring and filled with generalizations. Sentiment was that he did put some culpability on them for some of the economic woes they have and that it was not well received. Feeling that he's coming in to beat them now rather than have helped them 4 yesrs ago when they needed it.

Questions about if he can be a good enough retail politician to win votes.

Strategically he's someone that can help. But it will be about party expectations. I think the Populist wave in Western democracies will find it's way to Canada this next run. Are the Liberals willing to take like a 5 year pragmatic approach to try and get back in come 2029. Or do they think a savvy retail politician can save them in 9 months? I don't know...but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the latter.