2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He has 20M in cap space and a lot of picks. If he wanted to he could push them into 8tj with some trades. He’s sitting still.

He could but he doesn't really have to urgently do anything right now. The team is only a point out and goes back and forth with being in and out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Inferno

He could but he doesn't really have to urgently do anything right now. The team is only a point out and goes back and forth with being in and out.

If playoffs are the goal and retooling I would say yeah it’s urgent. We have the pieces and cap space.

This isn’t a playoff team right now and they probably start to crater.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I think getting Petey would be an excellent move if feasible.
He is a dynamic play driver who still needs to mature a bit emotionally. He is a #1C, signed for his prime years. Honestly, if we could grab him - I could see our rebuild moving quickly with the prospects already in the system.

I imagine CGY could be the right environment to flourish as the team leaders are tight and the management appears to prioritize character and good values.

What could we offer Vancouver??
I would start with:
-late 1st (NJ - 2025)
-Honzek (Van should be familiar with him and frankly, I am not convinced of his upside)
-a young depth defenseman (Bean, Miromanov, Kuznetsov or Soloyov)
-Sharongovich (can play C and on any line)

The Flames have the depth to afford this. Would it interest VAN??

No, no it wouldn't. Some people think this is a buy low opportunity, it isn't. The Canucks are willing to move Pettersson but from what I understand they are looking more to make a hockey trade than a futures type deal and it won't come cheap. If I was a betting man I would put money on neither Miller nor Pettersson going anywhere. I think the team is hoping they can learn to co-exist.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If playoffs are the goal and retooling I would say yeah it’s urgent. We have the pieces and cap space.

This isn’t a playoff team right now and they probably start to crater.

And if the right deal came along he would do it. We already know he's apparently kicking tires on players like Petterson.

I think he's learned from all those years behind Treliving and isn't going to something stupid to try expedite things.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I agree with many that say that arguing whether we are "retooling" and "rebuilding" are just semantics.

My main point is this - this team has never accepted losing. It instills compete in all its players from day 1, so that even if we were to lose all of our all-star players, our pure skill if you will, through trade or FA or whatever, the players that take their place will still compete hard, and outperform their expectations, and we become a lunch-pail team that is always in a playoff race, kind of. I personally think this is a good mentality to have, but it also means that, outside of sheer luck, we will never be bad enough to get top-5 picks on purpose.

Given that, the only way we can get truly elite players is to trade for them on the rare occasions they become available, and hoping for some draft luck. Call it the Dallas model or whatever, but this is what we need to do.

When elite players become available, you have to be willing to bite the bullet and trade your Zarys etc.. Again, maybe we don't target Petey specifically, but we cannot have the attitude of a player like Zary being unavailable to acquire such a player.

I'm not commenting on Zary specifically. I'm talking about mindset in rebuilding this team. Signing 5 Zarys to 6M AAV contracts is how you stay in the "mushy middle". Again, we've debated that endlessly, but I'm firmly in the camp that believe we need elite players to win. And you gotta be willing to get it done when one becomes available.

Dallas isn’t a model. It’s pure luck and I still don’t believe they have the elite talent to make noise. Just good enough.

We also need multiple elite players not just 1. Once we trade 1 we won’t have the assets to trade for another. Currently on the roster 1 guy is trending to elite status.

We will also need to replace Zary and we don’t have anyone in the pipeline.

Trading for Pettersson when you don’t even the roster to support him is how you stay in the mushy middle.

Franchise altering trade not in a good way n

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Inferno

And if the right deal came along he would do it. We already know he's apparently kicking tires on players like Petterson.

I think he's learned from all those years behind Treliving and isn't going to something stupid to try expedite things.

I personally don’t think he’s kicking the tires on Pettersson. He may have called but it’s probably not serious.

He’s said many times 18-23 is the age range. That fits a rebuild age range.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I personally don’t think he’s kicking the tires on Pettersson. He may have called but it’s probably not serious.

He’s said many times 18-23 is the age range. That fits a rebuild age range.

If he called he's 'kicking tires'. It sounds like what Vancouver wants doesn't fit with what he would be willing to offer anyway.

He said under 25 in a recent TSN interview. But I don't think he would turn his nose up at a 25 or 26 year old either.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Inferno

All I said is that I got what Conroy meant. Not that it's the term I would use.

I just don't view every trade he's made as a rebuild trade because it doesn't involve all future assets. There's players involved who are supposed to help the team now.

In a salary cap world, even a full rebuild or tanking team will trade for now assets as it would be virtually impossible to meet the floor without bringing in some vets.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I see a huge difference in an initial attack and taking a poke at a person that made the initial attack.

One is a response.

The other is an unwarranted drive by.

Move along if you don't like the site.

Sounds pretty arrogant, I never said I didn't like the site. But I guess I may move along if you insist.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by D as in David

In a salary cap world, even a full rebuild or tanking team will trade for now assets as it would be virtually impossible to meet the floor without bringing in some vets.

Yes, but other than Kuzmenko the 'now' players Conroy has brought in fit for the next 4-5 years rather than just for a year or two.

And even with Kuzmenko it was reported that Conroy saw potentially a fit and wasn't just looking to dump him for future assets even though now it looks like that's probably where things are headed with his struggles.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I personally don’t think he’s kicking the tires on Pettersson. He may have called but it’s probably not serious.

He’s said many times 18-23 is the age range. That fits a rebuild age range.

18- 24. But that's splitting hairs.
This SN article from before Xmas says 23-25:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-their-record/

I'll argue that a player of Pettersons pedigree and skillset would be an exception to the rule. He's a true #1 Center and you have to at least see what's what on his availability.

EDIT: and it still doesn't help Conroy's ideal target of a RHS Center. But you still gotta do the due diligence.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Sounds pretty arrogant, I never said I didn't like the site. But I guess I may move along if you insist.

I didn't insist on anything.

I suggested if you don't like the self policing of the site against someone obvious trying to obstruct the healthy discussion then maybe the site isn't for you.

Happy if you stay.

But lets stop making a martyr of people purposely being an ass.

[Roof-Daddy]

Imagine dying on a hill to stick up for a clear and obvious shirt disturbing turd like Junglist

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

18- 24. But that's splitting hairs.
This SN article from before Xmas says 23-25:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-their-record/

I'll argue that a player of Pettersons pedigree and skillset would be an exception to the rule. He's a true #1 Center and you have to at least see what's what on his availability.

EDIT: and it still doesn't help Conroy's ideal target of a RHS Center. But you still gotta do the due diligence.

18-23 and 23-25 is a pretty big difference. Conory said 18-23 in a press conference. The article is from Eric Francis.

He will be 27 when next season starts. It’s just not a trade a rebuilding team makes.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kirby Dach has found his form again. Another of those red flag young centers who are/were potential buy low candidates.

That's the thing with trade rumors, players performance is very fluid and impact value many times over the course of 1 season.

The way Dach is playing these last 6 games, he's no longer a buy low candidate. Plus I don't really want to deal with those Habs managers anyways.

Yeah, it’s this kind of thing you hope for in a Cozens deal, just so risky especially with that contract. But I do wonder how cheaply he could be acquired for.

[Dion]

I'd like to think that I have enough self-control to not respond to posts that are trolling in nature. Surely we call all practice some of that instead of always relying on Bingo or the mods to monitor posts we don't like.

[Badgers Nose]

IMO Conroy is trying to insert himself and his cap space into the discussion.

I know it hasn't really paid off yet, but he seemed to be all over that stuff last year.

Contenders looking to do a hockey trade might need to dump a player, or find another team to eat some cap, and maybe that's a place where Conroy can help in exchange for picks/prospects.

Like, Dallas has to be in on Petey, no? They could do a hockey trade but might need someone to eat a few million in short term cap space.

[Sandman]

Don’t go anywhere genetic phreek! You’re a valuable poster!

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, no it wouldn't. Some people think this is a buy low opportunity, it isn't. The Canucks are willing to move Pettersson but from what I understand they are looking more to make a hockey trade than a futures type deal and it won't come cheap. If I was a betting man I would put money on neither Miller nor Pettersson going anywhere. I think the team is hoping they can learn to co-exist.

The more information I gather, the more I lean towards your opinion of the result but JP Berry is a powerful man in the NHL.

From what i've been told the islanders have tabled the best offer.

[Vinny01]

What about Winnipeg for a landing spot for Pettersson? They have a hard time attracting talent and have a lot of pieces locked up and adding Pettersson gives them another star signed for 7 years. They are win now and have the pieces to make it work. Ehlers+pick+prospect/young player.