Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Are you just calling me a ####ing idiot, or are you calling the large number of Canadians that the polls suggest support the CPC ####ing idiots?

Either way, that’s not very nice.

You said you would support a guy who proclaimed "death to Canadians" and that is a better choice than the alternatives, so ya, that does sound ####ing idiotic, but I guess I don't share your world view.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

From your CBC article;



But I guess, desperate times call for desperate measures.

. So when direct evidence is in front of your face, your conclusion is to ignore it? I didn't see any articles about the upcoming new moon, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Like, no #### Pierre isn't going to come out and say the words, because it should be political suicide. So you need to look deeper, unless you are the type that enjoys having the wool pulled over your eyes?

The guy also says in no uncertain terms he won't moderate when in government, which seems to be the delusion of the day when people try to justify voting for nutjobs.

So I think we all need to be aware PP has no problem directly lying to Canadians to get in power, but that he also has agendas he supports but will not discuss publicly because he knows it reduces his chances of getting in power. A wise person would recognize and reject this foolery. A dumb person would justify it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

From your CBC article;



But I guess, desperate times call for desperate measures.

He did say this though which might be the dumbest thing I have read. It would have earned no points.

First they were communists, and then they became socialist, and then they became social democrats, and then they became — they stole the word liberal, and then they ruined that word. They changed their name to progressives, and then they changed their name to woke. And now they claim they don't want to be called woke anymore," he said.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You said you would support a guy who proclaimed "death to Canadians" and that is a better choice than the alternatives, so ya, that does sound ####ing idiotic, but I guess I don't share your world view.
. So when direct evidence is in front of your face, your conclusion is to ignore it? I didn't see any articles about the upcoming new moon, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Like, no #### Pierre isn't going to come out and say the words, because it should be political suicide. So you need to look deeper, unless you are the type that enjoys having the wool pulled over your eyes?

The guy also says in no uncertain terms he won't moderate when in government, which seems to be the delusion of the day when people try to justify voting for nutjobs.

So I think we all need to be aware PP has no problem directly lying to Canadians to get in power, but that he also has agendas he supports but will not discuss publicly because he knows it reduces his chances of getting in power. A wise person would recognize and reject this foolery. A dumb person would justify it.

PP doesn't control the advertising or how Peterson is able to monetize. Do you think that when Trudeau sits down for an interview with someone or with the CBC he goes over the list of sponsors that might advertise during the airing so that he can decide whether or not he supports all the sponsors?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You said you would support a guy who proclaimed "death to Canadians" and that is a better choice than the alternatives, so ya, that does sound ####ing idiotic, but I guess I don't share your world view.
. So when direct evidence is in front of your face, your conclusion is to ignore it? I didn't see any articles about the upcoming new moon, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Like, no #### Pierre isn't going to come out and say the words, because it should be political suicide. So you need to look deeper, unless you are the type that enjoys having the wool pulled over your eyes?

The guy also says in no uncertain terms he won't moderate when in government, which seems to be the delusion of the day when people try to justify voting for nutjobs.

So I think we all need to be aware PP has no problem directly lying to Canadians to get in power, but that he also has agendas he supports but will not discuss publicly because he knows it reduces his chances of getting in power. A wise person would recognize and reject this foolery. A dumb person would justify it.

I never said I would support him if he said that. I said he would still be a better choice that the Liberals and the NDP (what I meant was in the coming election).

So I will ask you again. Are you calling me a ####ing idiot or are you calling the Canadians that support the CPC ####ing idiots?

Because that’s not very nice either way. I suggest an apology.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You said you would support a guy who proclaimed "death to Canadians" and that is a better choice than the alternatives, so ya, that does sound ####ing idiotic, but I guess I don't share your world view.
. So when direct evidence is in front of your face, your conclusion is to ignore it? I didn't see any articles about the upcoming new moon, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Like, no #### Pierre isn't going to come out and say the words, because it should be political suicide. So you need to look deeper, unless you are the type that enjoys having the wool pulled over your eyes?

The guy also says in no uncertain terms he won't moderate when in government, which seems to be the delusion of the day when people try to justify voting for nutjobs.

So I think we all need to be aware PP has no problem directly lying to Canadians to get in power, but that he also has agendas he supports but will not discuss publicly because he knows it reduces his chances of getting in power. A wise person would recognize and reject this foolery. A dumb person would justify it.

This is the kind of person who will ignore absolutely everything about the CPC but will apply criticisms from bigots towards a provincial party to being true about the federal party as a whole.

Your descriptor was spot on.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is the kind of person who will ignore absolutely everything about the CPC but will apply criticisms from bigots towards a provincial party to being true about the federal party as a whole.

Your descriptor was spot on.

If you’re upset about the article, feel free to debate it. But remember, I didn’t write it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

PP doesn't control the advertising or how Peterson is able to monetize. Do you think that when Trudeau sits down for an interview with someone or with the CBC he goes over the list of sponsors that might advertise during the airing so that he can decide whether or not he supports all the sponsors?

Do you people just enjoy being taken for fools? Like, come on. Of course going on a JP interview is going to end up funding reprehensible discriminating ####. That's who he is and what he advocates. PP willingly did that so he could get a softball interview and indirectly support these things.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

PP doesn't control the advertising or how Peterson is able to monetize. Do you think that when Trudeau sits down for an interview with someone or with the CBC he goes over the list of sponsors that might advertise during the airing so that he can decide whether or not he supports all the sponsors?

Did you quote the wrong post?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I never said I would support him if he said that. I said he would still be a better choice that the Liberals and the NDP (what I meant was in the coming election).

So I will ask you again. Are you calling me a ####ing idiot or are you calling the Canadians that support the CPC ####ing idiots?

Because that’s not very nice either way. I suggest an apology.

This has to be one of the most unaware posts ever made on CP. You can't in one sentence say you never said you would support him if he said that and then immediately follow with "he would still be the better choice" and claim I am the one misinterpreting you. You said it, twice now. Do we need 3 times to confirm? Perhaps my initial response was too kind.

To be clear, I think anyone who thinks a better choice is the person who says "death to Canadians" to govern Canada is most likely a ####ing idiot. You can work out yourself who that applies to, but I don't think I am being controversial in that stance. Most Canadians probably agree with that.

[Doctorfever]

To be clear, the phrase “death to Canadians” was tongue in cheek.

That does not excuse you calling me a ####ing idiot, or calling CPC supporters ####ing idiots.

I suggest an apology, rather than trying to justify it.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I never said I would support him if he said that. I said he would still be a better choice that the Liberals and the NDP (what I meant was in the coming election).

So I will ask you again. Are you calling me a ####ing idiot or are you calling the Canadians that support the CPC ####ing idiots?

Because that’s not very nice either way. I suggest an apology.

It's pretty clear Fuzz is saying that anyone who would support a politician that says "death to Canadians", or even thinks they would be the best choice under those circumstances, is an idiot. Because they are.

The whole "ARE YOU CALLING ALL CANADIANS IDIOTS?!?!?!" is just another deflection and example of useless rhetoric.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It's pretty clear Fuzz is saying that anyone who would support a politician that says "death to Canadians", or even thinks they would be the best choice under those circumstances, is an idiot. Because they are.

The whole "ARE YOU CALLING ALL CANADIANS IDIOTS?!?!?!" is just another deflection and example of useless rhetoric.

You don’t have to yell.

Or misquote for that matter.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You don’t have to yell.

Or misquote for that matter.

The original isn't any better.

[Fuzz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctorfever
To be clear, the phrase “death to Canadians” was tongue in cheek.

That does not excuse you calling me a ####ing idiot, or calling CPC supporters ####ing idiots.

I suggest an apology, rather than trying to justify it.

Ah, so several posts later it is tounge in cheek, once you realized how it looks. Cool. So if death to Canadians is over the line for you, and a leader saying that would in fact be Lib/Ndp in that case, where's the line for how egregiously awful he can be before you flip?

And no, I won't apologize for saying if a person thinks the best option for Canadians is a leader that says "death to Canadians" is a better option. Why would I apologize for that position?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you people just enjoy being taken for fools? Like, come on. Of course going on a JP interview is going to end up funding reprehensible discriminating ####. That's who he is and what he advocates. PP willingly did that so he could get a softball interview and indirectly support these things.

I don't disagree with you on the matter that certain podcasts, bloggers, journalists, editorials should be avoided and not promoted but that is not what I am arguing against with regards to your post. You are claiming that because there was an advertisement for some sort pro life organization that PP directly supports that groups agenda and is secretly coming for women's rights. This an absurd notion and connection and I'm certain that PP had no idea who or what might be advertised.

[Doctorfever]

Justin Trudeau’s liberals are the closest party to saying death to Canada, since they are killing the Canadian dream. Or at least, trying to kill the Canadian dream.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't disagree with you on the matter that certain podcasts, bloggers, journalists, editorials should be avoided and not promoted but that is not what I am arguing against with regards to your post. You are claiming that because there was an advertisement for some sort pro life organization that PP directly supports that groups agenda and is secretly coming for women's rights. This an absurd notion and connection and I'm certain that PP had no idea who or what might be advertised.

You don't think PPs media team would have reviewed the advertisers? I disagree. PPs image is highly controlled. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this advertising opportunity was passed on to the group that did it. How else would they have known?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Justin Trudeau’s liberals are the closest party to saying death to Canada, since they are killing the Canadian dream. Or at least, trying to kill the Canadian dream.

Ah, ok then. Another Dr non answer.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You don't think PPs media team would have reviewed the advertisers? I disagree. PPs image is highly controlled. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that this advertising opportunity was passed on to the group that did it. How else would they have known?

I wouldn't be surprised either if Peterson's team shopped around the advertising spots to obtain the best return. Every broadcaster with such an opportunity does the same thing. Fox/NBC/CBS puts out their Super Bowl ads spots to get the most money out of every 30 second segment. The Super Bowl teams aren't sitting at the table with the network executives and approving the advertising spots though and I seriously doubt that PPs team is doing that. I would also doubt if Trudeau's team or Singh's team is doing that either.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

To be clear, the phrase “death to Canadians” was tongue in cheek.

That does not excuse you calling me a ####ing idiot, or calling CPC supporters ####ing idiots.

I suggest an apology, rather than trying to justify it.

What do you mean? How is calling people who would vote for a candidate or party that proclaimed “death to Canadians” idiots not an appropriate response?