Making the playoffs or keeping our top-10 first round pick 2025?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Be in the mix to pick top 3. Hopefully 1st in 26.

Not gonna happen. Unless they go scorched earth and trade everyone. And then Wolf alone will still keep them out of the bottom 5

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Trading for Pettersson takes out of rebuilding and immediately puts us into a retool mode and quickly. We don’t have much to retool around so keeping those picks would be crucial because we will need to start spending them to get established NHL players to play with him.

You probably need to start pushing for the playoffs next season as well otherwise you are just wasting him during his prime years. So we will have to dip into free agency to fill out the roster with some 30 plus.

So all the cap space you brought up that’s quickly gone. We haven’t signed Zary, Coronato or Wolf and will have to nickel and dime them.

We start that vicious cycle again.

I don’t see any reason why Conroy would be forced to sign free agents immediately because he traded for a 26 yr old center. I suspect he would be more than able to restrain himself from that and sign his young RFA’s long term and hope that he has 2 top 9 wingers amongst Suniev, Gridin, Honzek, Basha, Battaglia and whoever he drafts this year to go with the 4 long term top 9 wingers he already has (Coronato, Zary, Sharangovich, Huberdeau).

It would be beyond bizarre if he all of the sudden thought “geez, I have to sign all the young players to bridge contracts and go and spend 25 million on UFA’s instead”.

Suspect all a trade for Pettersson would mean is that the Flames continue their rebuild and Conroy continues his plan to build through draft capital, try to find players that want to be here long term and trade players before the organization loses the asset for nothing.i I doubt the team would base their plan around “not wasting one player in their prime years”. They certainly did not do that when they had Lindholm, Andersson, Hanifin, and Markstrom arguably in their prime years last year. Doubt they would deviate just for one player.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Not gonna happen. Unless they go scorched earth and trade everyone. And then Wolf alone will still keep them out of the bottom 5

Agreed,

IMO, Flames have never stated they are going ahead with a full rebuild

What you see is the plan, they are not going to ship out the key players to make this team drop to the bottom....

Conroy is going to focus on drafting, developing....

They are not going to follow the Hawk's current path

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Calgary should be controlling the timeline not Andersson deciding if he wants to be here. That’s been my whole point. He should not be in our long term plans so we should look at dealing him and listen to offers soon.

It’s time we do what’s best for us and not get attached to players and hand out retirement contracts.

Obviously Conroy needs to set a deadline for him to decide. That doesn't mean it has to be this season when the team is still very much in the playoff mix.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I don’t see any reason why Conroy would be forced to sign free agents immediately because he traded for a 26 yr old center. I suspect he would be more than able to restrain himself from that and sign his young RFA’s long term and hope that he has 2 top 9 wingers amongst Suniev, Gridin, Honzek, Basha, Battaglia and whoever he drafts this year to go with the 4 long term top 9 wingers he already has (Coronato, Zary, Sharangovich, Huberdeau).

It would be beyond bizarre if he all of the sudden thought “geez, I have to sign all the young players to bridge contracts and go and spend 25 million on UFA’s instead”.

Suspect all a trade for Pettersson would mean is that the Flames continue their rebuild and Conroy continues his plan to build through draft capital, try to find players that want to be here long term and trade players before the organization loses the asset for nothing.i I doubt the team would base their plan around “not wasting one player in their prime years”. They certainly did not do that when they had Lindholm, Andersson, Hanifin, and Markstrom arguably in their prime years last year. Doubt they would deviate just for one player.

He turns 27 when next season starts. Those players you listed won’t all just come in as rookies the entire lot likely goes to the AHL to develop.

I suspect when the 24/25 batch even makes a difference on the roster Pettersson is 29. Meanwhile he’s been good enough with the patchwork roster to keep us from drafting high enough to get elite talent to surround him with. Most of these #1C are winning before they turn 29 and not 30.

So we would waste his prime years rebuilding ? So he’s in Huberdeau territory when these guys are ready ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Not gonna happen. Unless they go scorched earth and trade everyone. And then Wolf alone will still keep them out of the bottom 5

Kadri and Huberdeau can’t be traded. So that leaves Coleman, Backlund, Weegar and Andersson.

I think 1 of them is gone before next season starts and if it goes like it should a few may ask out.

Wolf has been good but we won’t be able to shelter his starts forever either.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kadri and Huberdeau can’t be traded. So that leaves Coleman, Backlund, Weegar and Andersson.

I think 1 of them is gone before next season starts and if it goes like it should a few may ask out.

Wolf has been good but we won’t be able to shelter his starts forever either.

The better option is to trade Wolf and sign Vladar to a three year contract. That should ensure we don’t run the risk of winning too many games.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Trading Andersson isn’t to sewer the season, it’s asset management.

You have to look at the big picture with him. Will be 29 and his play has regressed the last 3 years for whatever reason. Not a player that should be in our long term plans, but likely our best trade chip.

You never know because we don’t know if what we get offered today would be worse in October or March 26. But if his play continues to slip you risk the offers maybe not being as good.

His cap should be easy to absorb for a contender as well. Think having that cost certainty for next season would lead to some good offers.

Yeah if you're a light switch guy, and don't live life with a dimmer switch then sure ... 100% asset management.

And if I'm staring down either player walking for nothing because their deals were up this year, then I'm with you 100%.

Since they're not I'm weighing the difference between the deadline and the summer for each players value vs the culture of the team for not gutting them, and the value of the development for the current young players for keeping the team together.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kadri and Huberdeau can’t be traded. So that leaves Coleman, Backlund, Weegar and Andersson.

I think 1 of them is gone before next season starts and if it goes like it should a few may ask out.

Wolf has been good but we won’t be able to shelter his starts forever either.

I doubt Backlund goes anywhere. Think he decided that when he signed his last contract

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The better option is to trade Wolf and sign Vladar to a three year contract. That should ensure we don’t run the risk of winning too many games.

There’s some thinking outside the box.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There’s some thinking outside the box.

Is there anything in the rules that says you even need a goalie? Play a couple seasons with 6 skaters. 0-82-0 ensures last place. It would be unwatchable but if it gives you a 10.7% chance to win a Cup 10 years later (the current odds for current favorites Dallas...) then why not?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The better option is to trade Wolf and sign Vladar to a three year contract. That should ensure we don’t run the risk of winning too many games.

The better option is fold the team and come back as an expansion since you and few think Vegas is a good blueprint for team building.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah if you're a light switch guy, and don't live life with a dimmer switch then sure ... 100% asset management.

And if I'm staring down either player walking for nothing because their deals were up this year, then I'm with you 100%.

Since they're not I'm weighing the difference between the deadline and the summer for each players value vs the culture of the team for not gutting them, and the value of the development for the current young players for keeping the team together.

This. The patient approach worked well in the Markstrom deal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kadri and Huberdeau can’t be traded. So that leaves Coleman, Backlund, Weegar and Andersson.

I think 1 of them is gone before next season starts and if it goes like it should a few may ask out.

Wolf has been good but we won’t be able to shelter his starts forever either.

This post is kinda nuts to me. Why would it go “like it should” so that everyone that you list asks out? When have Backlund, Weegar or even Coleman said they want to leave? Why would they change their minds?

Why should we expect the Flames to be monumentally worse without Rasmus? If they move out Rasmus they will need to sign a dman, if only to make the cap floor. Presumably they will get something in return for Rasmus that may contribute. You have also made the point repeatedly on this forum that Rasmus is not playing very well and is diminishing his trade value. So the loss of him presumably if that is correct should not be some sort of death blow to the team.

Are we expecting Zary, Coronato, Pelletier to be worse next year? Sharangovich has had a very slow start to the season. Do we expect him to suck or suck more next year?

Wolf after tonight will have started more than 50% of the games. 8 of his starts have been against playoff teams. 11 of Vladar’s have been against playoff teams.

In any event I think it is doubtful that even if the Flames trade one guy that next season will “go like it should”, I think it is even less likely that a bunch of guys will then ask to be traded and I don’t think whatever shelter the Flames are providing Wolf will make a lick of difference if it is removed.

[blankall]

Reading through this thread...

What are people basing this notion that Pettersson doesn't want to be socially part of the team on? Miller said so? He's not as loud as Miller? That's probably a good thing.

Has Pettersson been strongly linked to Calgary? People are fighting over this, but it's almost certainly not happening. Calgary doesn't really have any young potential stars to send back. Maybe Vancouver is dumb and sees Andersson or Weegar as good value? I doubt it. The multitude of teams that have been struggling through endless rebuilds make much better trading partners, see Anaheim, Detroit, Buffalo, etc...

[EDMONTONisNG]

Originally Posted by blankall

Reading through this thread...

What are people basing this notion that Pettersson doesn't want to be socially part of the team on? Miller said so? He's not as loud as Miller? That's probably a good thing.

Has Pettersson been strongly linked to Calgary? People are fighting over this, but it's almost certainly not happening. Calgary doesn't really have any young potential stars to send back. Maybe Vancouver is dumb and sees Andersson or Weegar as good value? I doubt it. The multitude of teams that have been struggling through endless rebuilds make much better trading partners, see Anaheim, Detroit, Buffalo, etc...

Meh, I do not want Pettersson. Soft as butter.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This post is kinda nuts to me. Why would it go “like it should” so that everyone that you list asks out? When have Backlund, Weegar or even Coleman said they want to leave? Why would they change their minds?

Why should we expect the Flames to be monumentally worse without Rasmus? If they move out Rasmus they will need to sign a dman, if only to make the cap floor. Presumably they will get something in return for Rasmus that may contribute. You have also made the point repeatedly on this forum that Rasmus is not playing very well and is diminishing his trade value. So the loss of him presumably if that is correct should not be some sort of death blow to the team.

Are we expecting Zary, Coronato, Pelletier to be worse next year? Sharangovich has had a very slow start to the season. Do we expect him to suck or suck more next year?

Wolf after tonight will have started more than 50% of the games. 8 of his starts have been against playoff teams. 11 of Vladar’s have been against playoff teams.

In any event I think it is doubtful that even if the Flames trade one guy that next season will “go like it should”, I think it is even less likely that a bunch of guys will then ask to be traded and I don’t think whatever shelter the Flames are providing Wolf will make a lick of difference if it is removed.

What’s crazy to me is we can just got back the last 4 pages and see how much you flip flop positions. Rebuild. No retool. No rebuild we will get worse. No we can be Vegas.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What’s crazy to me is we can just got back the last 4 pages and see how much you flip flop positions. Rebuild. No retool. No rebuild we will get worse. No we can be Vegas.

Ya I have said we should be Vegas. There is a quote function that you can use to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt all of these statements I have allegedly made. You should use it.

You have a consistent gripe, the Flames are winning too many games and should lose more. The only way they can win is if they get top 5 picks. That is fine but to randomly make up stuff that other posters allegedly said is beneath even you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya I have said we should be Vegas. There is a quote function that you can use to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt all of these statements I have allegedly made. You should use it.

You have a consistent gripe, the Flames are winning too many games and should lose more. The only way they can win is if they get top 5 picks. That is fine but to randomly make up stuff that other posters allegedly said is beneath even you.

Ok answer me this.

How do you outline a 5 year plan that sees the team getting worse and turn around ask me why I think we will be worse next year ? The guys doing th heavy lifting are 30 plus. Zary and Coronato improve. Wolf is a wildcard not because of his skill but the position.

Who replaced Andersson ? Likely a much worse player. So how do you expect us to continue on this path ? I don’t see any young impact players coming in next season.

[Junglist]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Ok answer me this.

How do you outline a 5 year plan that sees the team getting worse and turn around ask me why I think we will be worse next year ? The guys doing th heavy lifting are 30 plus. Zary and Coronato improve. Wolf is a wildcard not because of his skill but the position.

Who replaced Andersson ? Likely a much worse player. So how do you expect us to continue on this path ? I don’t see any young impact players coming in next season.

Parekh, Mews? Who cares about next year.

Makar replaces Andersson in 2027.