American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You are posting misinformation and are now doubling down, speaks to your credibility.

What exactly did I say that was incorrect? Be specific and explain why. Don't hide away this time Mel, we've seen you vanish when confronted before. Your posts mysteriously skyrocketed around November 5th 2024

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

What exactly did I say that was incorrect? Be specific and explain why. Don't hide away this time Mel, we've seen you vanish when confronted before. Your posts mysteriously skyrocketed around November 5th 2024

Joe Rogan is 100% down any right wing conspiracy theory talking point tunnel with no desire to view things with any sort of reasoning.


The minute Tim Walz was announced as the VP pick he started spewing right win conspiracy theories. Instantly. Without giving them a second thought

So your proof of that was a video that took a 5 second clip out of context. They went and fact check that claim which voids your
with no desire to view things with any sort of reasoning.
and then went on to discuss it further how it's similar or how it's not, which voids your
Without giving them a second thought

they was entire discussion that was left out of the clip you posted, so it appears to me that you are the one who
"has no desire to view things with any sort of reasoning"
"Without giving them a second thought"
and not Joe Rogan.

[BigThief]

No, lol. It was brought up on the podcast and the producer (Jamie) corrected him. At no point did Joe hear this information and look to verify it for himself. We have no idea how long he thought it was true (it was brought up randomly). Someone else correcting him doesn't change the fact he thought it and found no need fix it himself.

This is no different when you say something dumb at a family dinner and your nephew groans as they once again have to correct ol' Uncle MAGA

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by BigThief

What exactly did I say that was incorrect? Be specific and explain why. Don't hide away this time Mel, we've seen you vanish when confronted before. Your posts mysteriously skyrocketed around November 5th 2024

You should see his twitter account. He’s unwell but it’s extra funny when he talks about credibility after cruising through it.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

No, lol. It was brought up on the podcast and the producer (Jamie) corrected him. At no point did Joe hear this information and look to verify it for himself. We have no idea how long he thought it was true (it was brought up randomly). Someone else correcting him doesn't change the fact he thought it and found no need fix it himself.

This is no different when you say something dumb at a family dinner and your nephew groans as they once again have to correct ol' Uncle MAGA

You have an incredible high standard, hopefully you have that for yourself as well.

Anyways i rarely listen to his podcast which is mostly his comedian friends and MMA fighters, very little of it is political and it's influence on politics and society is massively overstated.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You have an incredible high standard, hopefully you have that for yourself as well..

hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahha

lmao. Really? That's a high standard. lol You goober.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahha

lmao. Really? That's a high standard. lol You goober.

keep doubling down!

[Fuzz]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...national-debt/


LOL, stupid Trump voters are about to "find out". Also get stupider, I guess.



Can this please be a warning as to what happens when you vote for a populist leader promising to cut government and taxes, but not telling you about the other part?

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1873925592242115036


https://www.newsweek.com/united-heal...urance-2008307


Soooo....lesson not learned?

[Johnny Makarov]

Is that real? isn't that the anti-vax moron Chuck actor?

[Fuzz]

Do you have him mixed up with someone else? Looks legit.


https://faculty.medicine.hofstra.edu/7888-zachary-levy

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, as the Biden sub, Harris ran more closely than any other incumbent president/prime minister in elections last year.

The unfortunate part is that the Biden admin was actually very successful. And the issues that are being spoken of here - border/inflation etc. were all handled correctly or weren't even real issues at all.

Claiming that Biden’s handling on the border was correct is an objectively terrible take, and it cost the Democrats a significant number of votes in the election.

His policies directly contributed to the largest wave of illegal immigration in the country’s history. You can talk until you’re blue in the face about how Trump railroaded the bill to help close the borders, but that completely ignores that Biden waited 3 years to do anything about the issue and only tried to get his crap together going into an election year after 6 million illegal migrants had already entered the country.

Did he take steps to fix it during the election year? Absolutely. But the damage was largely done and when you look at his policies over the entire four year term, there is zero ways you can call his handling of the border “correct”. And while I liked Biden as a president as a whole, to call his presidency “very successful” when there are black marks such as this is a pretty homer take.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Claiming that Biden’s handling on the border was correct is an objectively terrible take, and it cost the Democrats a significant number of votes in the election.

His policies directly contributed to the largest wave of illegal immigration in the country’s history. You can talk until you’re blue in the face about how Trump railroaded the bill to help close the borders, but that completely ignores that Biden waited 3 years to do anything about the issue and only tried to get his crap together going into an election year after 6 million illegal migrants had already entered the country.

Did he take steps to fix it during the election year? Absolutely. But the damage was largely done and when you look at his policies over the entire four year term, there is zero ways you can call his handling of the border “correct”. And while I liked Biden as a president as a whole, to call his presidency “very successful” when there are black marks such as this is a pretty homer take.

The border problem was largely invented - they caught more undocumented immigrants - that's where your numbers are from. And his was a very successful presidency on jobs, stock market, energy, student loans, etc. The economy under Biden was the envy of the world.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Harris lost because she was an idiot. The democratics knew Biden was a weekend at Bernies. Harris was the hail mary.

An idiot? She was a DA, AG, Senator, VP. She headed committees in the Senate and was expremely effective. Name solmething she did that was idiotic (without just repeating made up right wing themes).

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The border problem was largely invented - they caught more undocumented immigrants - that's where your numbers are from. And his was a very successful presidency on jobs, stock market, energy, student loans, etc. The economy under Biden was the envy of the world.

That is just straight up false. There were multiple policies Biden instituted that directly led to a wave of illegal immigration

But it’s worth remembering that this bill didn’t come up until almost three years into Biden’s presidency, long after his initial policies had helped cause the migration surge. He campaigned in 2020 promising not only to undo Trump’s cruel policies — such as family separation — but also to welcome more migrants. After taking office, he signed executive orders to do both.

Biden tried to pause deportations. He changed the definition of asylum to include fear of gang violence. He used immigration parole — which the law says should be used “on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons” — to admit hundreds of thousands of people. The parole programs alone amounted to “the largest expansion of legal immigration in modern U.S. history,” Camilo Montoya-Galvez of CBS News wrote.

Would-be migrants, as well as the Mexican cartels that run transit networks, heard a clear message: Entering the United States had become easier. The number of people attempting to do so spiked almost immediately.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/b...migration.html

I honestly have no idea how there are people that claim that the border issue was "invented". That is MAGA levels of delusion and burying heads in the sand, and the complete failure to admit it is a big reason Democrats lost the election.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

An idiot? She was a DA, AG, Senator, VP. She headed committees in the Senate and was expremely effective. Name solmething she did that was idiotic (without just repeating made up right wing themes).

Conservatives tend to have extremely high standards for progressive politicians, and even lower standards for their own. They'd find a way to MLK had bad morals, or a war hero was bad at his job for getting captured.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

That is just straight up false. There were multiple policies Biden instituted that directly led to a wave of illegal immigration



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/b...migration.html

I honestly have no idea how there are people that claim that the border issue was "invented". That is MAGA levels of delusion and burying heads in the sand, and the complete failure to admit it is a big reason Democrats lost the election.

Tell me how those numbers are measured - all numbers deal with border "encounters". Which merely means that Biden was more successful in catching border crossers.

Trump also had lower numbers because of COVID.

The numbers are flawed and the impact of immigration is based on false narratives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tell me how those numbers are measured - all numbers deal with border "encounters". Which means that Biden was more successful in catching border crossers.

Trump also had low numbers because of COVID.

The numbers are flawed and the impact of immigration is based on false narratives.

Are you actually this delusional? You're disagreeing with information and other opinions from reputable sources that are put in front of you? I'll repeat the quote from the article I posted:

Would-be migrants, as well as the Mexican cartels that run transit networks, heard a clear message: Entering the United States had become easier. The number of people attempting to do so spiked almost immediately.

Is your identity so tied to a Democratic president doing nothing wrong that you won't admit that there were places he failed? I agreed that Biden was a good President. I liked him and way prefer him over what we have now. But to refuse to admit that his border policies were a failure is not reconcilable - you lose any potential credibility you have when you bury your head in the sand like this.

Yes, we're looking at border apprehensions - I'm not sure how you think this data isn't representative. You claiming they just "caught more" is just not possible when you look at the trends, namely:

- The numbers spiked by a significant amount within a couple months of Biden's office after Biden almost immediately issued executive orders to open the borders up more. This isn't a function of just catching more people. It would take months and months to put in place the infrastructure and people needed to increase apprehensions to the level seen just 2-3 months after Biden took office
- You claim Trump had low numbers because of COVID, but if you look at the numbers pre-COVID, they were still much lower than anything Biden had in his first three years. (Chart shown in the article I linked)
- Biden's administration clearly admitted the issue during the election year and took steps to fix it via executive order earlier this year. Border apprehensions have fallen significantly since. But for some reason, apologists like you still feel the need to carry their water. Or was Biden's actions just to stop "catching" them???

Again - Biden put in place policies that removed border protections. Illegal border crossings spiked immediately. This is as clear of a cause-and-effect relationship as I've ever seen and you still have people claiming it's false. I'm not really sure what else to say, I'm dumbfounded that people will just refuse to acknowledge clear data presented to them.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

An idiot? She was a DA, AG, Senator, VP. She headed committees in the Senate and was expremely effective. Name solmething she did that was idiotic (without just repeating made up right wing themes).

Kamala was one of the most qualified candidates in decades. The two women who ran were highly qualified but lost to the the least qualified in history. But they were women.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Kamala was one of the most qualified candidates in decades. The two women who ran were highly qualified but lost to the the least qualified in history. But they were women.

I think you're right, gender is certainly a factor, but it is also that they represented the status quo. Americans don't want the status quo anymore, they want sweeping changes.