2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably more like Coronato (Tuch), Honzek (Krebs) and a 1st.

No thanks for me

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[TheScorpion]

I do that all day. Reminds me of when folks thought Mangiapane and Dube were untouchable in an Eichel deal.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably more like Coronato (Tuch), Honzek (Krebs) and a 1st.

Yeah no thanks then, Coronado is 21, Tuch was an injury riddled 25

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I do that all day. Reminds me of when folks thought Mangiapane and Dube were untouchable in an Eichel deal.

Who thought that?

[Sylvanfan]

Trading for Petterson would be just entering back into the cycle of mediocrity. He's not enough of a difference maker to push this team past having like 7 seed upside. He's 26 and about to start earning top dollar. I think its better to stay patient and try and draft a new core of game breakers.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Who thought that?

I remember that for sure. They were brought up in a trade proposal and it was a resounding "whhaaat??? You do not give up two quality players like that, otherwise we have to replace them and we'll be worse off".

[Royle9]

Petterson plays the same type of game as Huberdeau, more of a playmaking center who’s extremely strong east/west in a high creativity offensive system. Florida would be his ideal home imo.

Here he would instantly become Hubby 2.0 when everyone hated him prior to this year lol.
It would take a lot of work to get him comfortable playing our system and he’d never put up the 90+ pts here we just don’t play to that strength.

I wouldn’t mortgage our rebuild on him honestly, keep the picks going into 2 generational talent drafts. Mckenna and DuPont are both coming down the pipeline here.

Who would you put him with here? He’d need someone to make him space and time and then preferably a shoot first winger with speed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Probably more like Coronato (Tuch), Honzek (Krebs) and a 1st.

I would see if there is something you could work around Rasmus + to get him. I feel like the Canucks would be trying to compete now as opposed to a futures package.

For Pettersson with the wingers that I think the Flames have coming up I would go with Rasmus with something retained and Zary myself. But I think Pettersson is a legit 90 point center who could play pretty well on a line with Coronato and Sharangovich and then put Pelletier up with Backlund and Coleman for a solid third line.

Your defence would be blown up this year though and the Flames would probably have to go try to find a stop gap veteran dman for a couple years.

But I am not sure the Canucks would be looking for a straight futures package.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I do that all day. Reminds me of when folks thought Mangiapane and Dube were untouchable in an Eichel deal.

I assume you are referring to the Coronato + Honzek + 1st proposal.

First, it's never a good argument to say "reminds me of when people said...". Different people say different things, it's not like fans collectively agreed that Mangiapane and Dube were untouchable.

More to the point, the Flames are in a very different place in their life cycle, being early in a rebuild. Trading Coronato (22), Honzek (20) and a 1st for a guy that is already fully matured and signed to an $11.6M cap hit, makes absolutely no sense for this team.

Pettersson, Huberdeau, Kadri and Sharangovich would collectively be making $35M for the next 4 years after this one - does that sound like a core that is going to deliver anything?

Acquire Pettersson, re-sign Andersson (because now you're committed to the present and he probably wants to stay), and re-sign Zary, and the cap space is gone and the rebuild is over. And the Flames are right back to being an old, max-capped, average team.

Terrible, terrible plan.

[BigThief]

Petterson reminded me so much of the Sedin's when he entered the league, he had the Flames killer aura his first two seasons and despite his trouble the last few years he's put up three 30 goal seasons, one with 100 points and one with 90. Elias Pettersson turned 26 two months ago, JT Miller is two months from 32... bank on the young Swedish kid.

As for the proposal you do that every day. I like Coronato, I think he can be a Tyler Toffoli type player for the Flames and I was a big fan of Toffoli wherever he has played. Also believe Honzek, if he stays healthy, is going to surprise people with how good he can be. But Pettersson is a legit top point scoring center and if the environment in Vancouver has become toxic the Flames need to take advantage of that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Petterson plays the same type of game as Huberdeau, more of a playmaking center who’s extremely strong east/west in a high creativity offensive system. Florida would be his ideal home imo.

Here he would instantly become Hubby 2.0 when everyone hated him prior to this year lol.
It would take a lot of work to get him comfortable playing our system and he’d never put up the 90+ pts here we just don’t play to that strength.

I wouldn’t mortgage our rebuild on him honestly, keep the picks going into 2 generational talent drafts. Mckenna and DuPont are both coming down the pipeline here.

Who would you put him with here? He’d need someone to make him space and time and then preferably a shoot first winger with speed.

Pettersson has always been more of a goal scorer than Huberdeau has ever been. Every season he has played except this one he has been on a 30 goal pace. Over his career he scores at around a 34 goal pace over 82 games.

I would not give up picks for him but I would give up Rasmus and Zary.

[dammage79]

I'd have Glady given up Mangiapane and Dube without the gift of hindsight for Eichel. Imagine getting Eichel for a former 6th and 2nd round pick.... That's the dream.


Besides, I thought the Flames wouldn't pull the trigger because they wanted Valimaki (pre Achilles injury).

Hindsight yet again.

They could have had Eichel and we likely are having extremely different discussions about the Flames and how Tkachuk and Eichel run this team.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pettersson, Huberdeau, Kadri and Sharangovich would collectively be making $35M for the next 4 years after this one - does that sound like a core that is going to deliver anything?

That's really not so bad. The cap is going to hit $92.5 million next season, and increase of $4.5mill. Elliot Friedman has hinted at $110million in 2-3 seasons, which I admit is shocking. Kuzmenko's $5.5 is gone this season and the $1.8 we're holding for the Devils on Markstrom next summer as well. Backlund's $4.5 is gone the same summer as well.

It's not as shocking as you think

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd have Glady given up Mangiapane and Dube without the gift of hindsight for Eichel. Imagine getting Eichel for a former 6th and 2nd round pick.... That's the dream.


Besides, I thought the Flames wouldn't pull the trigger because they wanted Valimaki (pre Achilles injury).

Hindsight yet again.

They could have had Eichel and we likely are having extremely different discussions about the Flames and how Tkachuk and Eichel run this team.

The debate was about Tkachuk. The majority didn't want to include Tkachuk in a package (that also included a first)

If the price for Eichel was Mangiapane and Dube, Eichel would be a Flame right now.

Valimaki was part of the Stone conversation

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's really not so bad. The cap is going to hit $92.5 million next season, and increase of $4.5mill. Elliot Friedman has hinted at $110million in 2-3 seasons, which I admit is shocking. Kuzmenko's $5.5 is gone this season and the $1.8 we're holding for the Devils on Markstrom next summer as well. Backlund's $4.5 is gone the same summer as well.

It's not as shocking as you think

It's not a good core.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not a good core.

Yeah, me either lol but no one is saying that's the finished roster or finished core. Toronto spends roughly $59mill on their core right now (4F, 2D). My point isn't that that's a great core, it's that there is plenty of room, especially as the cap grows to build a core. The Flames at $35 are hardly going to be handcuffed.

[ComixZone]

I don't put Pettersson in that Eichel/Thornton tier of Centre, and he definitely isn't the guy I'd chase at this point.

Patience.

[jayswin]

Just be patient and draft often and well. Trying to speed up the rebuild process will likely just keep us in the mushy middle.

[Heavy Jack]

Andersson 50 % retained
Pospisil
Coleman
2nd
Poirier

For

Pettersson

Posp is a sell high player, recently a late blooming prospect who did have some injury history but has played some spirited hockey for his first two full seasons and is an ingredient that I’m sure Tochett would love to add to the roster, Andersson at 50 percent retained is another big roster addition and for not just the rest of this year, fills another need for them. Add in Coleman and I think the Canucks start to feel like they are getting fair value for such a high end name that is Pettersson. I know prospects and picks are being talked about, I think because of Pettersson’s contract a first is a tall order to request so a 2nd will have to do especially with the amount of value in roster players. Adding in Poirier after they gave up Bru last year helps walk this deal across the finish line.

Now do I actually want to do the above deal? For a 26 year old who has had consistency issues in his past and is about to have a large AAV kick in? I’m not so sure… is he Datsuyk? Or is he what he has been so far in his career, is this the most you’ll see out of EP? I do think a change of scenery is in order for him, I do think he has a crazy elite shot and a unique skill set and while dealing a guy like Pospisil would be super tough especially with him having chemistry with Huby and Huby showing his best as a Flame yet, I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t at least be intrigued.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Zary - Pettersson - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Backlund - Kuzmenko
Lomberg - Rooney - Duehr

Weegar - Bahl
Bean - Pachal
Hanley - Miromanov

I guess that’s what the roster would look like in the immediate aftermath of the trade before callups, what do you guys think about that proposal? Too much, too little, just right?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't put Pettersson in that Eichel/Thornton tier of Centre, and he definitely isn't the guy I'd chase at this point.

Patience.

The reality with patience is the Flames almost certainly bottom out between 27-29 just based on their center depth if they do not pick up a legitimate top 6 center via trade. By 2027 Kadri will be 37 years old and Backlund will be 38. Assuming they find a center in the draft this year that player will be 20 and unlikely to be playing in the NHL. Maybe Zary is a center maybe he is not but their center depth will be bad enough that they should be a very poor team on the back half of this decade with trading for a center or signing a center as a free agent being the only realistic options to avoid that fate.

Pettersson has been a PPG center since joining the league in 18/19. The only other centers I can think of who have been PPG centers over that time are

McDavid
Draisaitl
MacKinnon
Eichel
Crosby
Matthews
Point
Barkov
Zibanajed
Aho
JT miller

Given Conroy’s lack of center depth and his great depth at defence and on the wing I could see why he would be interested in a guy who has performed as a top 10-12 offensive center in the league since he joined the league and is 26 and is locked in longterm. Not sure he is interested but it makes total sense to me.