2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TOfan

But that’s just the thing. Blackwood ‘s signing (for example) likely had to do more with an indepth analysis of the player by the Avalanche’s hockey ops. They didn’t base that contract after 4 games, they based it off his career and, I’m sure, took cap projections, internal positional depth, player history including injuries (likelihood or repay and how it hampered previous performances) into account.

Also worth pointing out in this case Woodley and Granger, the two most forefront goaltending analysts I’m aware of, have raved about Blackwood saying out in the right situation and clear of injuries, his upside is significant. Believe it was Woodley who said top 5 in the league. If, and that’s a big if, they are right $5.25x5 could be highway robbery.

The Avalanche didn’t make that bet on 4 games or 20 games or whatever. They made it off the player, his potential, and his career to date and how they see him within their organization.

Okay, how about a player like Monahan. We traded a 1st for MTL to eat his contract, 1.5 seasons later he's traded for a 1st.

Another interesting case was Taylor Hall betting on himself, and signing a 1 year contract with BUF. He went from 1 x $8M to 4 x $6M. He got NJD 1st +3rd + Bahl + another couple of players. BUF traded him after a year and a half for a 2nd with 50% retention.

Kuzmenko is another example, teams were interested at adding him in the offseason and calling the Flames about him, now he would pass through waivers.

Markstrom was probably untradeable the summer before fetching a 1st + Bahl.

Huberdeau went from getting Tkachuk to untradeable within half a season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Okay, how about a player like Monahan. We traded a 1st for MTL to eat his contract, 1.5 seasons later he's traded for a 1st.

Another interesting case was Taylor Hall betting on himself, and signing a 1 year contract with BUF. He went from 1 x $8M to 4 x $6M. He got NJD 1st +3rd + Bahl + another couple of players. BUF traded him after a year and a half for a 2nd with 50% retention.

Kuzmenko is another example, teams were interested at adding him in the offseason and calling the Flames about him, now he would pass through waivers.

Markstrom was probably untradeable the summer before fetching a 1st + Bahl.

Huberdeau went from getting Tkachuk to untradeable within half a season.

Fair points but I think there’s extenuating circumstances surrounding all those examples.

Monahan was a shell of his former self. The price for a $6M cap dump was well established. I think it’s pretty clear the organizational decision was to stay competitive at that time, so the Flames did what they had to do to try to accomplish that. But its a unique case. Not sure how relevant this is to Andersson and his value.

Kuzmenko, another cap dump. I don’t see the relevancy to Andersson, or Blackwood.

Markstrom was untradable? Do we know that? I don’t believe we do. That said, fair to say his value likely wasn’t what it was when they dealt him. But, again, we have no idea. Other teams surely would be well aware of his pedigree and I don’t think one season where the entire organization was underperforming (2nd in Vezina voting the year prior) with supposed internal strife. It was well known the Flames were in a dysfunctional state at that time. Further, he was preparing for the arrival of his first child which could cause a lot of personal challenges beyond Markstrom’s control.

Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt, and a first got Tkachuk. And don’t look now, but Huberdeau, by his account, is playing the best hockey of his career, right now. What does that mean? Couldn’t give Huberdeau away a month ago but now he’s worth something? If he continues to perform well he’s worth something +? I dont think so. I think his performance over the past two years and his contract matter more than the past two months do.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Fair points but I think there’s extenuating circumstances surrounding all those examples.

Monahan was a shell of his former self. The price for a $6M cap dump was well established. I think it’s pretty clear the organizational decision was to stay competitive at that time, so the Flames did what they had to do to try to accomplish that. But its a unique case. Not sure how relevant this is to Andersson and his value.

Kuzmenko, another cap dump. I don’t see the relevancy to Andersson, or Blackwood.

Markstrom was untradable? Do we know that? I don’t believe we do. That said, fair to say his value likely wasn’t what it was when they dealt him. But, again, we have no idea. Other teams surely would be well aware of his pedigree and I don’t think one season where the entire organization was underperforming (2nd in Vezina voting the year prior) with supposed internal strife. It was well known the Flames were in a dysfunctional state at that time. Further, he was preparing for the arrival of his first child which could cause a lot of personal challenges beyond Markstrom’s control.

Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt, and a first got Tkachuk. And don’t look now, but Huberdeau, by his account, is playing the best hockey of his career, right now. What does that mean? Couldn’t give Huberdeau away a month ago but now he’s worth something? If he continues to perform well he’s worth something +? I dont think so. I think his performance over the past two years and his contract matter more than the past two months do.

Not even close. I remember watching him in his Florida days and he was one of the top players in the league. He was in the MVP conversation in his last year with Florida. The guy was a legit threat every time he was on the ice, and played with an edge.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Not even close. I remember watching him in his Florida days and he was one of the top players in the league. He was in the MVP conversation in his last year with Florida. The guy was a legit threat every time he was on the ice, and played with an edge.

Okay. He’s a liar then, I suppose.

December 27th Flames Talk, if you’re inclined to hear him say it direct.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay. He’s a liar then, I suppose.

December 27th Flames Talk, if you’re inclined to hear him say it direct.

I wasn't calling anyone a liar. He could be saying that because he's regained his confidence and feels his all around game is at a good level right now. But if he was playing at the offensive level he was at before he could be traded at his cap hit.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I wasn't calling anyone a liar. He could be saying that because he's regained his confidence and feels his all around game is at a good level right now. But if he was playing at the offensive level he was at before he could be traded at his cap hit.

It is a good thing the Flames have no cap reason to trade him in the next 3 years then. By the time his contract becomes a cap problem it will be in the final 2-3 years of the deal. The Flames cap problem right now is reaching the floor not staying under the cap.

Either way the guy is playing a lot better.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would not trade Andersson to the Canucks for that.

Okay, fair enough. I could’ve gotten the price wrong. What do you think Conroy’s price should be/is?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I wasn't calling anyone a liar. He could be saying that because he's regained his confidence and feels his all around game is at a good level right now. But if he was playing at the offensive level he was at before he could be traded at his cap hit.

Well, look, the topic at hand is Rasmus Andersson and whether or not 2 months of good play vs 2 months of bad play affects his trade value.

I would say, it doesn’t. Teams know what Andersson can bring and they make their assessment on trade value relative to the player and the market. I think small samples have little to no bearing on their decisions by in large.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Okay, how about a player like Monahan. We traded a 1st for MTL to eat his contract, 1.5 seasons later he's traded for a 1st.

Another interesting case was Taylor Hall betting on himself, and signing a 1 year contract with BUF. He went from 1 x $8M to 4 x $6M. He got NJD 1st +3rd + Bahl + another couple of players. BUF traded him after a year and a half for a 2nd with 50% retention.

Kuzmenko is another example, teams were interested at adding him in the offseason and calling the Flames about him, now he would pass through waivers.

Markstrom was probably untradeable the summer before fetching a 1st + Bahl.

Huberdeau went from getting Tkachuk to untradeable within half a season.

I think if a team made a serious offer for Kuzmenko he would have been gone in the offseason. I don’t remember any rumours besides the Blackhawks having some interest on a swap

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay, fair enough. I could’ve gotten the price wrong. What do you think Conroy’s price should be/is?

15ish overall pick, 2nd, and a B prospect or something. I just think the pick will be too low in your proposal that is basically what Hanifin got.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bonded

15ish overall pick, 2nd, and a B prospect or something. I just think the pick will be too low in your proposal that is basically what Hanifin got.

Most of the teams that will be trying to pick up a player like andersson at the deadline will be top 10 contenders. Assuming there’s a first round pick like you said it’ll probably be pretty late in the first round.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think if a team made a serious offer for Kuzmenko he would have been gone in the offseason. I don’t remember any rumours besides the Blackhawks having some interest on a swap

Hard to have predicted what has happened to kuzmenko though. He ended last season on a high and he definitely does have a lot of skill.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Most of the teams that will be trying to pick up a player like andersson at the deadline will be top 10 contenders. Assuming there’s a first round pick like you said it’ll probably be pretty late in the first round.

The first Chychrun trade and the Hronek trade says that isn’t true for a dman like Andersson with term. If they hold him till the deadline next year then it’s about right.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hard to have predicted what has happened to kuzmenko though. He ended last season on a high and he definitely does have a lot of skill.

I don’t buy it. He didn’t go from cap dump to desirable player after an end of season heater. If he kept that pace going into this season then it would have been a different story.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hard to have predicted what has happened to kuzmenko though. He ended last season on a high and he definitely does have a lot of skill.

How was it hard to predict? Vancouver was trying hard to trade him, because he is one dimensional and not a playoff type player.

And he has come exactly as advertised. Has some skill and some moments. Doesn't play defense and consistent effort is a concern.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bonded

15ish overall pick, 2nd, and a B prospect or something. I just think the pick will be too low in your proposal that is basically what Hanifin got.

I agree with your formula. I think I might just think a little more highly of Raty. I don’t see him as a B prospect. I see potential there. He has size, skating ability, skill in the face-off dot, hunger for the puck, and a little bit of mean, as well as possessing some (not elite) offensive ability. I think a centre like that can be an important part of a winning team.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bonded

15ish overall pick, 2nd, and a B prospect or something. I just think the pick will be too low in your proposal that is basically what Hanifin got.

To me, that's what he'll get at next year's TDL. With an extra playoff this year for an acquiring team, the return should be higher.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t buy it. He didn’t go from cap dump to desirable player after an end of season heater. If he kept that pace going into this season then it would have been a different story.

His contract was signed in 2023...I get he was the cap part of the trade but its pretty funny for Vancouver to have to cap dump a contract in EARLY 2024 that they signed in 2023. Things did go downhill fast for this player.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I agree with your formula. I think I might just think a little more highly of Raty. I don’t see him as a B prospect. I see potential there. He has size, skating ability, skill in the face-off dot, hunger for the puck, and a little bit of mean, as well as possessing some (not elite) offensive ability. I think a centre like that can be an important part of a winning team.

Yeah, Raty just seems like more depth. The Flames need as many shots at a home run as possible and need as many high picks as they can get. I don’t think Raty has much more upside than a middle six center.

Originally Posted by D as in David

To me, that's what he'll get at next year's TDL. With an extra playoff this year for an acquiring team, the return should be higher.

He’ll get a 1st in the late 20s at the deadline next year

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, Raty just seems like more depth. The Flames need as many shots at a home run as possible and need as many high picks as they can get. I don’t think Raty has much more upside than a middle six center.



He’ll get a 1st in the late 20s at the deadline next year

Anderson would get you a first all day long next year. You’re likely looking at a deal similar to Hanifin in terms of value.