He made himself visible to a contingent of young voters that probably had no opinion prior to that and probably paid little attention to the debate.
I read somewhere by going on Rogan Trump may have gotten upwards of 1.5 million votes, it didn’t help that Rogan didn’t call him out on the 40 odd obvious lies and it certainly didn’t help that Harris wouldn’t fit an invited appearance in herself
I read somewhere by going on Rogan Trump may have gotten upwards of 1.5 million votes, it didn’t help that Rogan didn’t call him out on the 40 odd obvious lies and it certainly didn’t help that Harris wouldn’t fit an invited appearance in herself
Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tony Hinchcliffe are all Trump simps that claim to be independents "just asking questions". All three of them called out American, "democratic" comedians for being partisan, but were the ultimate partisans themselves in the end (Tony literally did stand up at a Trump rally after calling out left wing comedians for supporting Democrats). Right wing comedians have been working hard for a republican government for years while chastising left wing comedians for having an opinion on politics.
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I read somewhere by going on Rogan Trump may have gotten upwards of 1.5 million votes, it didn’t help that Rogan didn’t call him out on the 40 odd obvious lies and it certainly didn’t help that Harris wouldn’t fit an invited appearance in herself
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Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tony Hinchcliffe are all Trump simps that claim to be independents "just asking questions". All three of them called out American, "democratic" comedians for being partisan, but were the ultimate partisans themselves in the end (Tony literally did stand up at a Trump rally after calling out left wing comedians for supporting Democrats). Right wing comedians have been working hard for a republican government for years while chastising left wing comedians for having an opinion on politics.
Whoever in Trump's team decided to go over hard after the disenfranchised youth male vote won Donald the election. Before Rogan Trump was on podcasts with Theo Von, Logan Paul, The Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, Andrew Schulz, Barstool Sports’ podcast “Bussin with the Boys and The Cure for Modern Insomnia with Lex Friedman. That's all before the fabled Joe Rogan sit down.
None of those guys pushed hard on Trump for anything, all these podcasts dominant with male youth. All of them are just stupid bro talks where no politics of any substance are discussed but where Trump can push his cult of personality. And that's exactly what happened. It won him the election
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Whoever in Trump's team decided to go over hard after the disenfranchised youth male vote won Donald the election. Before Rogan Trump was on podcasts with Theo Von, Logan Paul, The Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, Andrew Schulz, Barstool Sports’ podcast “Bussin with the Boys and The Cure for Modern Insomnia with Lex Friedman. That's all before the fabled Joe Rogan sit down.
None of those guys pushed hard on Trump for anything, all these podcasts dominant with male youth. All of them are just stupid bro talks where no politics of any substance are discussed but where Trump can push his cult of personality. And that's exactly what happened. It won him the election
Can't fault them for having good strategy. The lesson for democrats is to meet people where they are in the spaces where they talk. Nothing should be beneath you if you're trying to reach the average person.
I doubt any of those "bros" watched the debate where she wiped the floor with Trump, but they watched at least one of those shows where he was handed softball questions while looking relatively sane and competent. Legacy media is dead or dying quickly. Dems need to figure out how to get into these spaces.
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Whoever in Trump's team decided to go over hard after the disenfranchised youth male vote won Donald the election. Before Rogan Trump was on podcasts with Theo Von, Logan Paul, The Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, Andrew Schulz, Barstool Sports’ podcast “Bussin with the Boys and The Cure for Modern Insomnia with Lex Friedman. That's all before the fabled Joe Rogan sit down.
None of those guys pushed hard on Trump for anything, all these podcasts dominant with male youth. All of them are just stupid bro talks where no politics of any substance are discussed but where Trump can push his cult of personality. And that's exactly what happened. It won him the election
This isn’t meaningfully different than his first election where he moved into the champion for labor. It’s the area of the public that is moving starkly right right now. This was evident before the election started.
Dems need to figure out how to get into these spaces.
They don't want to be in those spaces. They're too sophisticated and righteous to sit down with any one or any group who they've spent so much time, effort, & money on branding as racist, fascist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic. "Toxic masculinity" seems to be working it's way in there now too.
People seem to be assuming that the campaign even mattered, and I don't think that's really the case.
Trump didn't win because he went on a bunch of bro podcasts; he won because the Biden administration has been deeply unpopular for the last 3-3.5 years. Winning when you're that unpopular is virtually impossible and Harris was part of that administration. The fact that the election was as close as it was (it was the 2nd smallest margin of victory since the 1960s) is a testament to Trump's unpopularity.
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People seem to be assuming that the campaign even mattered, and I don't think that's really the case.
Trump didn't win because he went on a bunch of bro podcasts; he won because the Biden administration has been deeply unpopular for the last 3-3.5 years. Winning when you're that unpopular is virtually impossible and Harris was part of that administration. The fact that the election was as close as it was (it was the 2nd smallest margin of victory since the 1960s) is a testament to Trump's unpopularity.
I think the next 4 years are going to be an absolute ####-sandwich.
The margin of victory, the election, the candidates...its like America collectively threw their hands up and said #### it!
Even Biden's ridiculous Pardoning spree kind of emanates those vibes of "well if no one else GAF, why should I?"
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People seem to be assuming that the campaign even mattered, and I don't think that's really the case.
Trump didn't win because he went on a bunch of bro podcasts; he won because the Biden administration has been deeply unpopular for the last 3-3.5 years. Winning when you're that unpopular is virtually impossible and Harris was part of that administration. The fact that the election was as close as it was (it was the 2nd smallest margin of victory since the 1960s) is a testament to Trump's unpopularity.
Yeah, as the Biden sub, Harris ran more closely than any other incumbent president/prime minister in elections last year.
The unfortunate part is that the Biden admin was actually very successful. And the issues that are being spoken of here - border/inflation etc. were all handled correctly or weren't even real issues at all.
They don't want to be in those spaces. They're too sophisticated and righteous to sit down with any one or any group who they've spent so much time, effort, & money on branding as racist, fascist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic. "Toxic masculinity" seems to be working it's way in there now too.
Yeah, as the Biden sub, Harris ran more closely than any other incumbent president/prime minister in elections last year.
The unfortunate part is that the Biden admin was actually very successful. And the issues that are being spoken of here - border/inflation etc. were all handled correctly or weren't even real issues at all.
The administration was pretty unpopular even before those issues came to the forefront. Even by late 2021, Biden was in the low 40s for approval; he never really recovered after the Afghanistan withdrawal.
That said, inflation was a huge issue that basically killed their chances of turning the tide back, as it has been across the world for incumbents. Even though it's illogical, given these two options:
1) Prices rise 6% over 3 years; wages rise 5%
2) Prices rise 20% over 3 years; wages rise 25%
The average voter seems to prefer #1 even though in real terms they're falling behind. People like stable prices, and when they get big pay raises but can't really buy much more than before, they get angry.
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Trump still talking about taking over Canada, with Kevin O’Leary’s help.
Someone should get MAGA all riled up about this and spin it into "Trump wants to absorb Canada, then Canadians will move down here and take all our jobs!" that's probably the only way that he stops making these comments.
Can't fault them for having good strategy. The lesson for democrats is to meet people where they are in the spaces where they talk. Nothing should be beneath you if you're trying to reach the average person.
I doubt any of those "bros" watched the debate where she wiped the floor with Trump, but they watched at least one of those shows where he was handed softball questions while looking relatively sane and competent. Legacy media is dead or dying quickly. Dems need to figure out how to get into these spaces.
Another lesson for the Democrats, in my opinion is to realize that the 77M who voted for Trump didn't do it because they're racist, sexist or low IQ. They need to understand that these people aren't against inclusion or diversity, this time around there were just other things more important to them than those things that they wanted their candidate to speak to. Hopefully, they've also learned that they will never beat the Republicans at being conservative, so maybe next time, scrap the idea that getting close to neo con's and getting their endorsement will be a good idea. And finally, put forward the best candidate you have within your party as your nominee. Someone who performed poorly in their party's Presidential Primaries in the last cycle, who was then highly unpopular as the VP, who their own party's leadership believed was unelectable for President was somehow put forth as the defacto nominee. Whoever came to this decision with all the previously mentioned information available to them should be let go.
But my bigger concern is that I'm still largely hearing that Harris lost because of racism and sexism and voters are dumb. It's concerning.
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Someone should get MAGA all riled up about this and spin it into "Trump wants to absorb Canada, then Canadians will move down here and take all our jobs!" that's probably the only way that he stops making these comments.
Correction, the immigrant Canadians from India are going to take their jobs.
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Another lesson for the Democrats, in my opinion is to realize that the 77M who voted for Trump didn't do it because they're racist, sexist or low IQ. They need to understand that these people aren't against inclusion or diversity, this time around there were just other things more important to them than those things that they wanted their candidate to speak to. Hopefully, they've also learned that they will never beat the Republicans at being conservative, so maybe next time, scrap the idea that getting close to neo con's and getting their endorsement will be a good idea. And finally, put forward the best candidate you have within your party as your nominee. Someone who performed poorly in their party's Presidential Primaries in the last cycle, who was then highly unpopular as the VP, who their own party's leadership believed was unelectable for President was somehow put forth as the defacto nominee. Whoever came to this decision with all the previously mentioned information available to them should be let go.
But my bigger concern is that I'm still largely hearing that Harris lost because of racism and sexism and voters are dumb. It's concerning.
Thing is, Harris ran on policies that actually helped kitchen table issues. It was the Republicans that painted Democrats with fake issues like trans rights. And because voters ARE dumb. Exit polls showed Biden being blamed for Roe v Wade being overturned.
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Another lesson for the Democrats, in my opinion is to realize that the 77M who voted for Trump didn't do it because they're racist, sexist or low IQ. They need to understand that these people aren't against inclusion or diversity, this time around there were just other things more important to them than those things that they wanted their candidate to speak to. Hopefully, they've also learned that they will never beat the Republicans at being conservative, so maybe next time, scrap the idea that getting close to neo con's and getting their endorsement will be a good idea. And finally, put forward the best candidate you have within your party as your nominee. Someone who performed poorly in their party's Presidential Primaries in the last cycle, who was then highly unpopular as the VP, who their own party's leadership believed was unelectable for President was somehow put forth as the defacto nominee. Whoever came to this decision with all the previously mentioned information available to them should be let go.
But my bigger concern is that I'm still largely hearing that Harris lost because of racism and sexism and voters are dumb. It's concerning.
The Democrats running a terrible campaign and voters being dumb, racist and sexist aren't mutually exclusive. Trump is such a terrible person/candidate that both need to be true to produce the loss. If only one was true, then the Dems would have probably pulled out a victory.
