2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Nelson]

In a hypothetical world in which the Flames acquire Cozens without trading away NHL forwards,

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier - Cozens - Sharangovich
Coronato - Zary - Duehr
Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman

1. I’d keep the Kadri line together.

2. Cozens and Zary get a shooter for one-timers. Cozens, a right-handed centre can pass to Sharangovich, the left-handed shooter. Zary, a left-handed centre can pass to Coronato, the right-handed shooter. Also, Cozens, the bigger centre gets Pelletier, the smaller energy guy, on his strong side. Zary, the smaller centre gets Duehr, the bigger energy guy, on his strong side.

3. Lomberg goes with Backlund and Coleman for a veteran, shutdowns line.

Now, back to reality in which the Flames likely won’t be able to acquire Cozens…

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

At the moment, the Flames have no room for a top-9 centre because Backlund, Kadri, and Zary are all healthy. That isn't guaranteed to continue. The injury that put Kirkland out for the year could have happened to a much more important player.

Right now the team has three top-9 centres and zero spares ready to step in. That would make me very, very nervous if I were Conroy. If he acquired someone like Cozens, the logical thing would be to start the new guy out on the 4th line while he gets acclimated, and move him up the lineup when there are injuries or the team needs a shake-up.

Can’t see that happening.

If the Flames brought in Cozens, or a similar C, I’d bet they give that player two top 6 wingers. Zary could even be one of them.

If the Flames do bring in Cozens, I bet they’re going to put him in a position for success right away. They wouldn’t hold his head under the water with wingers like Lomberg and Deuhr. I’d say it would be a priority to get him feeling good about his game, and the sooner the better.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

In a hypothetical world in which the Flames acquire Cozens without trading away NHL forwards,

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier - Cozens - Sharangovich
Coronato - Zary - Duehr
Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman

1. I’d keep the Kadri line together.

2. Cozens and Zary get a shooter for one-timers. Cozens, a right-handed centre can pass to Sharangovich, the left-handed shooter. Zary, a left-handed centre can pass to Coronato, the right-handed shooter. Also, Cozens, the bigger centre gets Pelletier, the smaller energy guy, on his strong side. Zary, the smaller centre gets Duehr, the bigger energy guy, on his strong side.

3. Lomberg goes with Backlund and Coleman for a veteran, shutdowns line.

Now, back to reality in which the Flames likely won’t be able to acquire Cozens…

Huberdeau Kadri Posposil
Zary Cozens Sharangovich
Coleman Backlund Coronato
Pelletier Rooney Lomberg
Deuhr

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's what makes team building so hard. You can see a Chandler Stephenson blow up in a system like Vegas and completely crater in a system like Seattle's. Not to mention player chemistry. Roster composition cannot be built purely on statistical analyses.

Chemistry with respect to sports is called winning. It doesn’t exist independently.

“Wow, that team is terrible but they sure have great chemistry!”

[Nelson]

Is it a foregone conclusion that Rasmus Andersson has Buffalo on his 6-team no-trade list?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Chemistry with respect to sports is called winning. It doesn’t exist independently.

“Wow, that team is terrible but they sure have great chemistry!”

Nope.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Nelson

In a hypothetical world in which the Flames acquire Cozens without trading away NHL forwards,

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier - Cozens - Sharangovich
Coronato - Zary - Duehr
Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman

1. I’d keep the Kadri line together.

2. Cozens and Zary get a shooter for one-timers. Cozens, a right-handed centre can pass to Sharangovich, the left-handed shooter. Zary, a left-handed centre can pass to Coronato, the right-handed shooter. Also, Cozens, the bigger centre gets Pelletier, the smaller energy guy, on his strong side. Zary, the smaller centre gets Duehr, the bigger energy guy, on his strong side.

3. Lomberg goes with Backlund and Coleman for a veteran, shutdowns line.

Now, back to reality in which the Flames likely won’t be able to acquire Cozens…

This probably makes the most sense. I think Huska would roll all four lines pretty evenly in this setup. Just don’t see him giving 4th line minutes to Backlund and Coleman at this point.

Like you said, doubtful they pay the price for Cozens. I’m honestly not that eager for Calgary to pay much for guys like Dach or Cozens. If the cost to get them is low (late first round pick + B prospect at most)… sure. But I doubt that gets it done. Especially for Cozens.

With Zary looking so good at centre, I don’t feel the need to add to the roster right now. I would rather the target be a young centre prospect like Helenius or Ritchie or Danielson. Younger players with high upside, more cost control and who don’t need to factor into the roster this year. These are players likely ready to make the jump to the NHL next year at the earliest rather than right now. If an injury happens to one of the current flames centres this year, give Kerins a shot - he’s earned a look with his play on the Wranglers this year. It’s a moot point of course because top prospects like Helenius, Ritchie or Danielson are likely to cost too much to acquire or they are just completely unavailable.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope.

Great take. Try again.

It simply doesn’t exist. Otherwise players would perpetually play well with each other, struggle with other linemates, and line juggling wouldn’t exist. Sort of how you can always use hydrogen and oxygen to create water. It never stops working.

“Chemistry” is what ill informed sports fans attribute overperformance to, instead of random variation.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Huberdeau Kadri Posposil
Zary Cozens Sharangovich
Coleman Backlund Coronato
Pelletier Rooney Lomberg
Deuhr

Looks like a setup that would result in the best chance at winning every night right now… but I’m just not a fan of moving Zary back to the wing. He’s looked great at centre. He was drafted and developed as a centre. The team needs a succession plan for Kadri and Backlund as the top centres on the team. Zary has shown he should be part of that plan IMO. Moving him back and fourth from centre to wing is likely to derail the progress he’s made at that position.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Looks like a setup that would result in the best chance at winning every night right now… but I’m just not a fan of moving Zary back to the wing. He’s looked great at centre. He was drafted and developed as a centre. The team needs a succession plan for Kadri and Backlund as the top centres on the team. Zary has shown he should be part of that plan IMO. Moving him back and fourth from centre to wing is likely to derail the progress he’s made at that position.

Totally fair.

I also agree with what some others are saying. Zary’s ability to play well down the middle negates, somewhat, the need for a C now. That said, I’m sure if the Flsmes can get their hands on a young RHS C, they’ll be in on it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's what makes team building so hard. You can see a Chandler Stephenson blow up in a system like Vegas and completely crater in a system like Seattle's. Not to mention player chemistry. Roster composition cannot be built purely on statistical analyses.

He had 51 points in 75 games last season and is on pace for 53 in 82 this season. It's not quite that dramatic a fall as you might think based on that card.

And don't forget he was the injury replacement for Eichel a lot of the time in Vegas so he was working with much better linemates.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Great take. Try again.

It simply doesn’t exist. Otherwise players would perpetually play well with each other, struggle with other linemates, and line juggling wouldn’t exist. Sort of how you can always use hydrogen and oxygen to create water. It never stops working.

“Chemistry” is what ill informed sports fans attribute overperformance to, instead of random variation.

Players have great chemistry on bad/losing teams all the time. Are you saying that chemistry is not an issue for Huberdeau? It’s random variation that he over performed all of his years in Florida?

Winning is a combination of many things and chemistry between players and coaches is a piece of it. How big or how important? I’m not sure but to say it doesn’t exist is a weird take. Otherwise super teams with the most talent would win all the time and that really only happens in basketball but even in basketball super teams don’t win all the time.

[genetic_phreek]

Buffalo is middle of the pack for scoring and that's with Cozen not contributing right now. They are lacking a two way defensive forward and possibly a better shutdown damn.

Send them Coleman and one of our Dmen.

Huberdeau Kadri Pospisil
Pelletier Zary Cozens
Sharangovich Backlund Coronato
Lomberg Rooney Lomberg

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He had 51 points in 75 games last season and is on pace for 53 in 82 this season. It's not quite that dramagtic a fall as you might think based on that card.

And don't forget he was the injury replacement for Eichel a lot of the time in Vegas so he was working with much better linemates.

He’s on pace for 6 goals and has 10 even strength points and is -13.

It was always going to be a bad contract.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Buffalo is middle of the pack for scoring and that's with Cozen not contributing right now. They are lacking a two way defensive forward and possibly a better shutdown damn.

Send them Coleman and one of our Dmen.

Huberdeau Kadri Pospisil
Pelletier Zary Cozens
Sharangovich Backlund Coronato
Lomberg Rooney Lomberg

I have little doubt that the Sabres would have interest in Coleman but I suspect, strongly, Coleman would not accept a trade to Buffalo. He likes it here. Short of waiving to go to a cup contender or closer to his family’s homes in Texas, I doubt he has much interest, if any at all, in moving.

Also, what ‘shut down D’, of which we apparently have a few(?), would be part be of this package? Doubt Weegar, Andersson, or Bahl are on the move anytime soon (this season).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He had 51 points in 75 games last season and is on pace for 53 in 82 this season. It's not quite that dramagtic a fall as you might think based on that card.

And don't forget he was the injury replacement for Eichel a lot of the time in Vegas so he was working with much better linemates.

Right, that’s a difference of 3 points in 82 games.

Considering his lesser line mates, it’s arguable he’s actually doing better than expected.

[Lewis_D]

I'm probably in the minority here, but I still think it would be worth buying low on Zegras if the ask isn't too much.

None of the rumoured players coming back in a potential Andersson trade really excite me that much, if I were Connie I would try to get a package of a pick + prospect in return and then reevaluate from there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I'm probably in the minority here, but I still think it would be worth buying low on Zegras if the ask isn't too much.

None of the rumoured players coming back in a potential Andersson trade really excite me that much, if I were Connie I would try to get a package of a pick + prospect in return and then reevaluate from there.

What rumoured players for Andersson ?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He’s on pace for 6 goals and has 10 even strength points and is -13.

It was always going to be a bad contract.

Plus minus? Really?

He makes $6.25M - second line centre level salary these days. It's too long a term, but otherwise unremarkable.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I'm probably in the minority here, but I still think it would be worth buying low on Zegras if the ask isn't too much.

None of the rumoured players coming back in a potential Andersson trade really excite me that much, if I were Connie I would try to get a package of a pick + prospect in return and then reevaluate from there.

If I were Conroy, I wouldn’t want to take the risk of bringing in a young, albeit, talented C who probably doesn’t want to stay with your team.

All kinds of speculation that Zegras is a personality who wants to be in an American market. He may come here, because it would likely be better than the one he’s currently in, but he seems like a major flight risk to me. That, or you’re paying through the nose to keep him here and engaged. Big no thanks in my eyes.