[News] Red Wings fire Lalonde hire Todd McLellan

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by mogg

The Hronek deal was a bit puzzling too- they didn’t really have anyone ready to take that spot.

The prevailing thought was Detroit wasn't very high on him and had no intentions to pay him long term

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

All these teams keep firing the coaches for nothing

Nothing changes

The GM hasn't done a great job but neither had Lalond so this is probably the right move as McLellan should do a better job with this roster. Still Yzerman's seat has to be getting a little hot as he's built a team that's just not good enough to contend and at best is in the mushy middle which is a place you never want to be.

[DoubleK]

It's debatable whether McLellan is a better coach than Lalonde. I don't think he will be out of work long. It will be good to see him on HNIC while he's waiting.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mogg

The Hronek deal was a bit puzzling too- they didn’t really have anyone ready to take that spot.

The plan has always been be bad to be good in Detroit. When you understand the plan you understand the Hronek trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Pretty much like us...

No - completely different situation. They’ve been rebuilding for 5 years.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am curious about the scouting staff in TB - where they mostly in place before Yzerman took over? Are they mostly in place now?


I think at times, GMs take too much credit or get too much heat based on the organization in place. For instance, here in Calgary Darryl Sutter takes a lot of heat for his drafting (especially early on). When he took over as GM, he had 1 full time and 2 part time scouts in place (IIRC). Started building it out, and towards the end of his tenure, it started having better success than at the start of his tenure. I think he takes too much heat for sucking at drafting, when you take a step back at least and look at a more complete picture.


Maybe Yzerman just took too many accolades, when really they may have just had a fantastic staff in place already? I think it takes time to build a good staff up. It takes a few years at least between moves to figure out if your staff has got it right or not. It isn't as if you can make a move today and see the results right away - your drafting department is probably the most difficult and lengthy piece of your organization to build up properly. If it wasn't, every team would be batting way higher percentages.



Detroit hasn't been a really good drafting team for a long time - predating Yzerman's hiring for years. I think the lack of success is a combination of getting too much of the credit in Tampa, getting poor luck in the lotteries, and not having a good enough scouting department in place at the onset.


However, I think a lot of his moves have been poor. This is a fairly lousy team that he has built up with his signings and trades, even ignoring the drafting. He signed a lot of vets who are past their prime. I think he sold Hronek because he probably misjudged his talent level. He made a lot of 'win now' moves around that time.


Detroit has a handful of players that I think are good young players (headlined by Seider and Raymond). Otherwise, they are a 'meh' team with a bunch of aging vets and young but underwhelming youth/prime-aged players. If Conroy built a team like this, I would be wishing for his dismissal, quite honestly. The Red-Wings are not a team that looks like they are coming out of a rebuild. They look like an old team that is about ready to sell and enter a rebuild, with a couple of nice young pieces on the roster to help speed-up their rebuild. I would bet that they end up going after Gibson and add him to their roster.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am curious about the scouting staff in TB - where they mostly in place before Yzerman took over? Are they mostly in place now?


I think at times, GMs take too much credit or get too much heat based on the organization in place. For instance, here in Calgary Darryl Sutter takes a lot of heat for his drafting (especially early on). When he took over as GM, he had 1 full time and 2 part time scouts in place (IIRC). Started building it out, and towards the end of his tenure, it started having better success than at the start of his tenure. I think he takes too much heat for sucking at drafting, when you take a step back at least and look at a more complete picture.


Maybe Yzerman just took too many accolades, when really they may have just had a fantastic staff in place already? I think it takes time to build a good staff up. It takes a few years at least between moves to figure out if your staff has got it right or not. It isn't as if you can make a move today and see the results right away - your drafting department is probably the most difficult and lengthy piece of your organization to build up properly. If it wasn't, every team would be batting way higher percentages.



Detroit hasn't been a really good drafting team for a long time - predating Yzerman's hiring for years. I think the lack of success is a combination of getting too much of the credit in Tampa, getting poor luck in the lotteries, and not having a good enough scouting department in place at the onset.


However, I think a lot of his moves have been poor. This is a fairly lousy team that he has built up with his signings and trades, even ignoring the drafting. He signed a lot of vets who are past their prime. I think he sold Hronek because he probably misjudged his talent level. He made a lot of 'win now' moves around that time.


Detroit has a handful of players that I think are good young players (headlined by Seider and Raymond). Otherwise, they are a 'meh' team with a bunch of aging vets and young but underwhelming youth/prime-aged players. If Conroy built a team like this, I would be wishing for his dismissal, quite honestly. The Red-Wings are not a team that looks like they are coming out of a rebuild. They look like an old team that is about ready to sell and enter a rebuild, with a couple of nice young pieces on the roster to help speed-up their rebuild. I would bet that they end up going after Gibson and add him to their roster.

It’s why it’s crazy to suggest signing free agents to long term deals. Conory is doing it right so far. Short term deals and keep spots open quickly for the young players.

Detroit has Petry, Chariot, Gustafsson taking up spots. Tarasaneko, Kane, Jt Compher and Andrew Copp.

Outside of Sharangovich, Conory has not signed a deal longer than 2 years.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Buff

Yzerman: "How was your Christmas, Derek, restful?"

Lalonde: "Yes, It was good to spend time with family"

Yzerman: "Then spend more time with them. You're fired"

Cut throat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Cut throat.

Really don’t think it happened this morning. They had a freeze on transactions. He was likely told ahead of time he was not coming back and to clean out his office.

The logistics just don’t work, plus they held a practice today.

[Junglist]

Detroit should move on from Yzerman, he aint what he was in Tampa.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Junglist

Detroit should move on from Yzerman, he aint what he was in Tampa.

I’m not sure he was the god he was made out to be in Tampa, but people do have to be patient with GMs as long as they’re showing promise. Rebuilds aren’t easy. Certainly he doesn’t have a Brisbois or Nill on his side to support but he has to learn his own way. It’s probably a little premature to dump him imo. He’s got a lot of work to do but a season or two more to show his capability and direction is probably necessary.

[Goriders]

I guess the natural path for underperforming teams usually follows:

- trade/bench/demote a few players to change chemistry
- fire coach
- larger player movements in and out
- fire GM

[Paulie Walnuts]

When you look at the numbers Detroit is pretty bad but we aren’t far behind. Neither team can score much but have decent PP. Both have bad PK. Same with shots allowed.

Talbot even has similar stats to Wolf. Hard to say if they should be scoring more with that poor roster construction

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1872328330999132396

He's not hot...but is he ready?

[Harry Lime]

I think that the thought process in Detroit is that they need a less player friendly coach to instill some work ethic in the young guys. They should be a borderline playoff team right now, and very good in a couple of years, behind solid drafting.

But you need to build a culture, or you end up with Buffalo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I think that the thought process in Detroit is that they need a less player friendly coach to instill some work ethic in the young guys. They should be a borderline playoff team right now, and very good in a couple of years, behind solid drafting.

But you need to build a culture, or you end up with Buffalo.

Yawney is a PK guy he’s probably as important a hire as Todd.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The prevailing thought was Detroit wasn't very high on him and had no intentions to pay him long term

I'm with Yzerman on this one, Hronek is good but I don't think he's $7.25m X 8 good

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I'm with Yzerman on this one, Hronek is good but I don't think he's $7.25m X 8 good

That's just sort of... What #2 dmen get now. I am not in love with it. Guy gets hurt a lot and they don't seem to be willing to play him away from Hughes (though apparently by Hughes request) so we don't know if he can anchor his own pair.

But the money just sort of is what his position gets now.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The prevailing thought was Detroit wasn't very high on him and had no intentions to pay him long term

Yeah, smart move by Yzerman coinciding with his other draft choice.

Because i mean, who would really want a pairing of Quinn Hughes AND Filip Hronek to go with Moritz Seider?

Give me 5 32 and older veterans on ####ty contracts. What a Hero.

[greyshep]

Too bad, I always got a kick out of seeing uncle fester behind a NHL bench.