2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Those ages cut both ways. Petterson has 8 more years at 11.6. If this isn’t just a phase, and he’s sulky, soft, and can’t produce in high-stakes games, do you want to be locked into him as your main piece for a decade?

This doesn’t seem like just a beef between two guys. Tocchet publicly declared that several players on the Canucks do not bring enough emotion and intensity to the game. Pretty safe bet Petterson is one of them and Tocchet is trying to send a message.

I'd take 26 year old Pettersson for 8 years and 11.6M every day of the week.

The guy is a great 200 ft center (his defensive game is underrated) who is capable of putting up 100 points.

The Canadian hockey media loves to trash Europeans who "don't show enough emotion... until they win.

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Ovechkin, Hedman, etc all had the same criticisms that they weren't good enough in the playoffs...until they won.

Pettersson has two playoffs in his career...18 points in 17 games, and 6 points in 13 games. (24 points in 30 playoff games)

I remember people here criticizing Tkachuk for his playoffs too when he had 5 points in his first 15 playoff games, and then 10 in 12 in 21-22 (15 points in 27 playoff games as a Flames). Then that narrative disappeared when he had 24 points in 20 games and the Panthers made it to the finals.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I remember people here criticizing Tkachuk for his playoffs too when he had 5 points in his first 15 playoff games, and then 10 in 12 in 21-22 (15 points in 27 playoff games as a Flames). Then that narrative disappeared when he had 24 points in 20 games and the Panthers made it to the finals.

It’s interesting because Tkachuk can be used as an example in a few different ways.

You could compare him to EP, and draw similarities between their playoff performance, age and peoples perception of them as a leader, or commentary about “sulking” and that sort of thing, and see how a lot of the talk was proven wrong which should give people pause about making conclusions around EP.

You could also compare him to Miller, and draw similarities between the talk of misplaced passion, a problem in the room, abrasiveness, and that should do the same thing.

Either way, given what we’ve seen as Flames fan, it’s probably safe to say we don’t really know who is the issue. It might just be the mix, or maybe it is one of the two.

But I agree. If you have to choose, it’s EP every day, if only for the fact that he’s nearly six years younger and better offensively than Miller was at the same age, which tells me there’s still room to bloom.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Miller is a little like Kadri where he seems like someone that barks at teammates a lot. They are competitive guys but that kind of reaction can be really tough on some people.

It’s really a tough spot for the organization to be in. The idea was for these two to be their 1A and 1B centers. Petterson has struggled for the last 8-10 months but when he’s on his game he’s a fantastic player. They would hate to have to trade either of them in the middle of the Canucks’ “window”. Not sure if there is a hockey trade out there for either player that brings back a center from another team that’s as good as Petterson or Miller. You never know though.

Buffalo might be a good trade partner if the Canucks wanted to trade Petterson but only if Buffalo was willing to trade someone like Tage Thompson. Not sure if they would though… Tage is only a year older and I I like him more than Petterson. Only saying Buffalo because they have good pieces and are likely ready to do a big trade in the offseason after another brutal year.

Kadri is always will liked by his teammates and the communities he lives in. Kadri is clearly passionate on the ice, but it's otherwise a friendly guy. Kadri is also very loyal and supportive of his teammates. Kadri seems like the type of guy who might yell at a teammate in the heat of the moment, but would them work it out later.

Miller has built personal beef with multiple teammates now. I know of Horvat, Schenn, and Pettersson. He's yelled at his own goalie. He seems like more of a bully and a hot head. Miller has also been called out by analysts for inconsistent two way game, and he answers that he's an offensive first player and complains about how playing defense affects his numbers.

Two totally different character types. Miller seems pretty toxic to me. Not quite ADA level toxic, but that's a better comparison than Kadri.

[Sec214]

Anyone who says they wouldn't take Elias Petterson is crazy. 26, Signed long term at a realistic number for a 26y signed to 8 years.

The cost would be huge. Buffalo may do it, Calgary doesn't have the assets I don't think. I also haven't heard anything about Vancouver wanting to move either player but player agents have powers too.

One source says it could be wild if one of them is put on the block.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kadri is always will liked by his teammates and the communities he lives in. Kadri is clearly passionate on the ice, but it's otherwise a friendly guy. Kadri is also very loyal and supportive of his teammates. Kadri seems like the type of guy who might yell at a teammate in the heat of the moment, but would them work it out later.

Miller has built personal beef with multiple teammates now. I know of Horvat, Schenn, and Pettersson. He's yelled at his own goalie. He seems like more of a bully and a hot head. Miller has also been called out by analysts for inconsistent two way game, and he answers that he's an offensive first player and complains about how playing defense affects his numbers.

Two totally different character types. Miller seems pretty toxic to me. Not quite ADA level toxic, but that's a better comparison than Kadri.

Totally agree. Miller is has an odd on ice personality, I've thought that from the get go since he came to Vancouver. That goalie thing was hilarious because Miller was the one that screwed up that sequence of play. People try to brush it off as being "emotional" or "competitive" but he just comes across as a low EQ type player.

[jayswin]

He's a big, dumb bully, alpha male that happens to be really good at hockey.

[Mr.Coffee]

Pettersson being overrated here. He’s a good player, but at that contract you should expect more than less than a point a game and potentially causing problems in your dressing room. He has a lethal shot but looks pretty lazy to me a lot of the time. Add in poor playoff performance he really doesn’t seem like the type of player that Calgary should target.

[Kipper_3434]

If Petterson is moved it could be the Joe Thorton trade of today. He could be a top 5 C in the game today. What would the cost even look like? Flames have lots of futures but seem like an unlikely landing spot as division rival.

[Monahammer]

100% agree, if there's any possibility we can get pettersen we should do it. Whatever it takes frankly. That's the type of player you can foster and choose to build around. It's clear the relationship with the organization is a problem here.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Pettersson being overrated here. He’s a good player, but at that contract you should expect more than less than a point a game and potentially causing problems in your dressing room. He has a lethal shot but looks pretty lazy to me a lot of the time. Add in poor playoff performance he really doesn’t seem like the type of player that Calgary should target.

He had a great playoff his first year, poor the 2nd year, but that was really a continuation of his 2nd half slump last year.

He's an elite talent. Calgary needs elite talent.

But they likely don't have the pieces to trade for him. Vancouver won't be looking for older players like Andersson, they want some young pieces who are at least someone established.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Personally I thought this was why Patterson was quiet in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9pUB3c6cLI

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Personally I thought this was why Patterson was quiet in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9pUB3c6cLI

Unreal

[tony-soprano]

Tendonitis Petey, too soft for playoffs.

[Sandman]

https://youtu.be/lnFUIo7az3c?si=DgZVFyOjrrE2Vlla

https://youtu.be/XY7ni8rQQU8?si=lBZxHMY7pnfGM2ul

Don’t think Miller is beloved by his teammates…

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

https://youtu.be/lnFUIo7az3c?si=DgZVFyOjrrE2Vlla

https://youtu.be/XY7ni8rQQU8?si=lBZxHMY7pnfGM2ul

Don’t think Miller is beloved by his teammates…

If I’m not mistaken, Miller was traded from TB to Vancouver in part due to character issues/questions.

[dammage79]

Miller should be the one to go.

Honestly it just feels like Canucks Management is kind of making their own problems by keeping Miller around.

I've heard rumors for a few years that Miller didn't really want to be there in the first place but the money was too good to turn down.

Seems like it's taking its toll on the locker room.

.the more important question should be in all of this, is who keeps Quinn Hughes happy. Maybe that's the answer as to why Miller is still there.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would take the approach of: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Miller already pushed out Horvat (and whomever else that we don't know about, for better or for worse).



You want guys that can push and be demanding and hold players accountable. However, you also need those players to then be able to bring the team back together, rather than create these lasting rifts or divides. Rifts and divides in your locker room are worse than the occasional poor plays that you publicly ripped into your teammate for.



From what it seems, I would put him in the same box as coaches with short shelf lives. That's how I would handle Miller. Heck, nobody wants to win more than Sutter, or Hartley, and whomever else you want to include in that group. They are all alpha males that want to win, and that's good. At some point, it becomes too much and you just have to make a move. I think that's where I would be right now if I am Jim Rutherford. Love the guy's spirit and will to win, and being the guy to hold your teammates accountable is no easy task. However, just too much of a good thing, and this guy is crating too big of a rift.



Tough to make a hockey trade and get a C in return that can back-fill for Miller. You are either doing a futures-only package, and then using those futures to acquire someone else on another team, or you are going to accept a quantity for quality trade. Would be hilarious if it ends up being Miller for Lindolm + (and I imagine a fairly hefty +). They could move Miller for a D, but I don't think there is a big enough hole on defence. They would create a bigger hole down the middle that would need addressing. Will be interesting to see what comes out of this.



Another factor to consider is Demko. I am sure Rutherford wants to see if he starts improving in his starts - if Demko doesn't start looking great again, you might as well punt this season, clean house, and use the deadline + the off-season to make enough quality changes to get your team back to competing next season. I don't think that the owners or the market have the stomach for a rebuild this close to the last one. Interesting times ahead for Vancouver.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I've heard rumors for a few years that Miller didn't really want to be there in the first place but the money was too good to turn down.

Pettersson didn't seem too excited to sign in Vancouver either.

Originally Posted by dammage79

.the more important question should be in all of this, is who keeps Quinn Hughes happy. Maybe that's the answer as to why Miller is still there.

That's sometimes the problem when you have to star players not getting along. If you get rid of one and other players on the team were behind that player, it could cause more resentment. Especially if the team bombs after that.

It's quite possible that both players are an issue here and need to move on. I'd let it play out this season and deal with it in the offseason though.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would take the approach of: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Miller already pushed out Horvat (and whomever else that we don't know about, for better or for worse).



You want guys that can push and be demanding and hold players accountable. However, you also need those players to then be able to bring the team back together, rather than create these lasting rifts or divides. Rifts and divides in your locker room are worse than the occasional poor plays that you publicly ripped into your teammate for.



From what it seems, I would put him in the same box as coaches with short shelf lives. That's how I would handle Miller. Heck, nobody wants to win more than Sutter, or Hartley, and whomever else you want to include in that group. They are all alpha males that want to win, and that's good. At some point, it becomes too much and you just have to make a move. I think that's where I would be right now if I am Jim Rutherford. Love the guy's spirit and will to win, and being the guy to hold your teammates accountable is no easy task. However, just too much of a good thing, and this guy is crating too big of a rift.

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Miller seems like the type of player who is acutely aware of other players' miscues and won't miss an opportunity to tell them while being blithely unaware of his own mistakes. The worst kind of coach or team leader.

[Badgers Nose]

I hope they sort it out in Vancouver only because I don't want any more assets flooding the trade market.