Everyone wants an election but of course parties only in it for themselves.
NDP, the party of the people lol. Is Singh the biggest hypocrite in the country?
Democracy in action.
If the polls that were posted before, 58% want an early election. While slightly above “most”, it’s definitely not “everyone“ and hardly a good reason. What does an early election solve for you?
The Liberals aren't going to disappear regardless of who is leading them. Their absolute rock bottom is around 20%, probably 25% if they manage to ditch Trudeau somehow. A lot of people have always voted Liberal and are waiting for any excuse to jump back on the wagon. They are always the default progressive option. If Trudeau leaves NDP voters will flock to the Liberals to "stop a majority", the NDP are likely to get decimated.
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I believe the NDP would have been better off to vote non confidence earlier, and really separate themselves from Trudeau and the Liberals.
But then, we would have missed out on the Freeland fireworks, so I’m glad they didn’t!
Why? They might win a few more seats but would have less power. Right now the NDP has a lot in influence. Both them and the Liberals will want to take as much time as they can to the next election. The Liberals can change Leaders and hope it gets back some support in their traditional strongholds. Plus Polievre is like a pullstting doll that has 4 phrases. The more he repeats his populist jargon the more it's to turn off moderate voters who want change but not that change.
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Everyone wants an election but of course parties only in it for themselves.
NDP, the party of the people lol. Is Singh the biggest hypocrite in the country?
Democracy in action.
Everybody has heard him cry wolf for so many times and over so many years it's all Singh and the NDP are known for now.
"We're not supporting Trudeau", votes to support Trudeau.
"We're not supporting Trudeau", votes to support Trudeau.
"We're not supporting Trudeau", votes to support Trudeau.
"We're not supporting Trudeau", votes to support Trudeau.
"We're not supporting Trudeau", votes to support Trudeau.
Most Canadians likely just see him he tied at the hip with Trudeau. Basically a Liberal MP at this point . . . more of a Deputy Prime Minster than Freeland ever was with his unwavering support.
Most political pundits don't even believe them anymore, it's just a meme at this point. First 2 minutes is basically them all not trusting what Singh is saying as always.
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The Liberals aren't going to disappear regardless of who is leading them. Their absolute rock bottom is around 20%, probably 25% if they manage to ditch Trudeau somehow. A lot of people have always voted Liberal and are waiting for any excuse to jump back on the wagon. They are always the default progressive option. If Trudeau leaves NDP voters will flock to the Liberals to "stop a majority", the NDP are likely to get decimated.
All true...even Ignatieff led Liberals got 20% of the popular vote IIRC but it resulted in less than 40 seats. Both they and the Bloc got decimated.
Its apparent that as of right now, there is a pretty clear path where that occurs again. It will depend on what Singh actually does and how he plays it afterwards. If done right he can be official opposition depending on how Quebec votes.
Its apparent that as of right now, there is a pretty clear path where that occurs again. It will depend on what Singh actually does and how he plays it afterwards. If done right he can be official opposition depending on how Quebec votes.
More likely they will be the 4th party. I'd bet real money that either the Bloc (likely) or maybe the Liberals (with new leader) will be the official opposition.
Why? They might win a few more seats but would have less power. Right now the NDP has a lot in influence. Both them and the Liberals will want to take as much time as they can to the next election. The Liberals can change Leaders and hope it gets back some support in their traditional strongholds. Plus Polievre is like a pullstting doll that has 4 phrases. The more he repeats his populist jargon the more it's to turn off moderate voters who want change but not that change.
Well if they want to be seen as a legitimate political party, isn’t more seats better than less seats? Getting significantly more seats than the Liberals would help them. The longer they prop up the Liberals the less support the NDP would get, imo.
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Well if they want to be seen as a legitimate political party, isn’t more seats better than less seats? Getting significantly more seats than the Liberals would help them. The longer they prop up the Liberals the less support the NDP would get, imo.
And, if Singh is to be believed, that ship has already sailed.
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“The Liberals don’t deserve another chance,” Singh said in a statement. “That’s why the NDP will vote to bring this government down, and give Canadians a chance to vote for a government who will work for them.”
I mean....thats showing his cards for all to see. He simply cannot backtrack from it.
Well if they want to be seen as a legitimate political party, isn’t more seats better than less seats? Getting significantly more seats than the Liberals would help them. The longer they prop up the Liberals the less support the NDP would get, imo.
No, I think Sylvan is right actually.
I see your point, but if the seats aren't there to be won then they become irrelevant as opposed to leveraging the seats you do have as well as you possibly can.
Like or lump him, Jagmeet leveraging Justin's political life for NDP programs was wise.
The thing now is that the Liberals are effectively dead and buried and it appears that the NDP lost a lot by propping the Liberals up. They kind of cannibalized each other's voter bases.
Then again, I dont hold much faith in Polls. They're like exhibition games. They dont mean anything until the rubber hits the road.
At the end of the day though, it does look like Pierre is going to win this and rather handily. What can you even say though? Justin scandaled his way down and Jagmeet is guilty by association.
But if any one of those three ass clowns starts on this BS 'working for Canadians' nonsense...they've been working for nobody but themselves.
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And, if Singh is to be believed, that ship has already sailed.
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I mean....thats showing his cards for all to see. He simply cannot backtrack from it.
LOL. A politicians that backtracks on his words. Never gonna happen. He'd be the first in the history of politics. Other than maybe Peter McKay. And Danielle Smith. And, oh man ok I don't have enough time for this list.
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LOL. A politicians that backtracks on his words. Never gonna happen. He'd be the first in the history of politics. Other than maybe Peter McKay. And Danielle Smith. And, oh man ok I don't have enough time for this list.
He literally penned a letter to Canadians and you think he can back out of it and still have a career in politics?
He has completely cornered himself with no way out other than to follow through with it.
He literally penned a letter to Canadians and you think he can back out of it and still have a career in politics?
He has completely cornered himself with no way out other than to follow through with it.
Yes, no politician has ever lied to the public, or changed their mind, or done something different than what they say, and is still in politics. You are right, I'm not sure what I was thinking.
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Yes, no politician has ever lied to the public, or changed their mind, or done something different than what they say, and is still in politics. You are right, I'm not sure what I was thinking.
Name me ONE who penned an open letter to Canadians promising anything definitive like he did and then said....nope!
Im pretty aware that politicians lie about policy changes and lots of other things. I mean we are in year 9 of Trudeau doing just that.
But....this is not that. This is a guy who has to follow through or he will obliterate his own career and take his party with him.
Perhaps all the NDP boot lickers should present a solution to that problem, because the end of result of all of this will be Singh setting back NDP policy years, not to mention not being a relevant part of any HoC for a long time.
Singh is just saying what he needs to say. But he's delusional if he actually thinks a successful non-confidence vote will advance the NDP agenda in any ways.
The next Liberal leader or leaders will need to focus a lot on economic growth and having a very broad based strategy for improving Canadian's economic wellbeing.
It was discussed by a lot of experts early on that the Trudeau Liberals never took the above seriously and just kind of moved money around, came up with expensive programs, splashed the DEI thing around and didn't address the concerns for the economy. That did work for a little while but then it became a bigger concern the last few years where they were assisted by USELESS Conservative opposition leaders and weak leader in Jaqmeet who did whatever he was told to do by the Liberals.
Canada faces a lot of economic challenges that need to be met. We have fallen very very behind and it will take a lot of innovation and smart thinking to get us back.
The lack of Canadian competitiveness and productivity has been a problem for decades but is exasperated now. I have said it before and I will say it again, Canadian's are not the smartest bunch but we have been blessed to live next to the global superpower and blessed with natural resources. The simple fact is that is pretty much all we do! Trade mostly with the US, extract resources and export them cheap and have a bunch of oligopolies.
This isn't an economic strategy and we have opportunities for way more. We need to get way smarter going forward. We need a coordinated industrial policy, we need to actual foster innovation within Canadian business to actually be able to compete, not just raise prices and come up with junk fee's for Canadian's. We need rapid decision making and we need to be able to cut out the nonsense regulations and interprovincial trade barriers. We literally have these stupid campaigns about " Alberta is calling, come on by" "BC is where to be" "Regina, SK: The place that rhymes with fun"
We can't even accredited professionals and trades people properly if they have been educated in this country but in different provinces. This is literally 3rd world stupidity.
Whoever the next Liberal leader is, and my bet is on Carney, they have their work cut out for them whenever they get into power again.
Singh is just saying what he needs to say. But he's delusional if he actually thinks a successful non-confidence vote will advance the NDP agenda in any ways.
Him retiring and a new perspective that focuses on the middle class would move the NDP into the official opposition.
